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Fravor admitted to the same kind of pranks on Joe Rogan.
Such pranks are very, very common. But they’re not something that would extend beyond the attention these events are getting now. Or even close to the point of.
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I wrote a longer post and linked to the sibling comment. Yes, they could be autonomous. But there are still issues with that, specifically with the time for the communication to get back "home." (see sibling comment) This doesn't make things impossible, but it definitely decreases the likelihood. As for within our solar system, I'm fairly certain this isn't true. There would be a crazy amount of effort to hide all th…
Autonomous devices wouldn't need to send signals back home. They might be fully autonomous. Also, I don't think we can rule out aliens within our solar system. An alien civilization beneath the ocean of some moon?
To... what? Study a civilization and do nothing with the data?
> Also, I don't think we can rule out aliens within our solar system. An alien civilization beneath the ocean of some moon?
Yeah, we pretty much can. Odds are extremely low. Now, life might exist, but not advanced space fairing life. Those civilizations produce a lot of noise and make drastic changes to their planets (/moons).
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Can you elaborate on that? As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories…
> We already sent probe out of our Solar System. To give an idea of the scale involved, Voyager 1 is only 0.058% of the way to the nearest star system, and that took 45 years. Granted it wasn't built for speed but given that the best hypothetical plans for a spaceship we have allow travel at ~.1c it'll take 50 years not counting acceleration / deceleration. > Eventually probe will find planet with life. May be life i…
The most obvious way to hide is stay small. I don't know what physical limits would be to build small robots with advanced technology. Build main base somewhere in asteroid belt. Build some intermediate bases for refilling or something like that in moons. Or may be just rock somewhere in the space with small solar panels which collects electricity and can charge robot of size of sparrow which will travel further to Earth. Can we notice sparrow landing Earth and intelligently hiding e.g. in the sea?
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The close-minded approach is to accept someone’s fantastical claim because you want to, or just because the claim is being made, when the claim is contrary to mountains and centuries of evidence. The open-minded take incorporates all the possible evidence to reach the most likely conclusion. And the conclusion is never, so far, either aliens or magic. It’s just silly to conclude that an observation that has no immedi…
I don’t think aliens and magic belong in the same category though. Magic/supernatural by definition is contrary to physical laws and scientific understanding. But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. It would be a shock, obviously, just like it was a shock when we discovered that other galaxies exist, or black holes, or that nuclear fission is possible. If inte…
Many of the "UFO" observations fall into that. As is "under known physics it is impossible explanation"
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Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history. We've greatly increased the amount of things that can be done, but I wouldn't be so confident about the things that can't be done.
> Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history. I'll let Asimov speak on this because he says it better than I can. But this is not even remotely accurate. We've become less wrong over time. https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html
I was quite precise in my wording and didn't say what you are responding to.
My opinion (and it's just that, I'm unprepared to defend it) is that we've always been [less and less] wrong on everything.
And since we can't know what the boundaries of knowledge are, and it could easily be some insane unbounded fractal existence, it seems rash to me to decide that we know enough to say that there can't exist civilizations whose technology is magic to us.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY scrub to 7 minutes in.
> New Radar 80kft in a second? Remember that the speed of sound is ~1.1kfps (at atm). But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. I'm going with new radar new glitch. Per the video, they don't describe seeing this movement except on radar and, from my understanding, not the other object with their physical eyes but the weapons systems (which the 60 minutes video even shows an example of a glitch with…
I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…
Were they really really big, black and triangular?
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It really isn’t, it’s what’s happened. The recordings released a couple of years ago were also breathlessly reported to be classified smoking gun evidence, confirmed by analysts, that would change everything. Except when we got to actually see them, what we saw was video of pilots patently misreading the sensor data shown in the same recording, and some fuzzy lens flared blobs that could be anything.
That's exactly what's in the article. I could quote it, but I'd basically just be copying and pasting the whole thing. Every element of my previous comment is in the original article. Either the pilots, Senators, and intelligence officials are lying (or absurdly incompetent) or it is as they say.
I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…
I don't trust the military or Congress since they're happy to spend money on ESP or telekinesis studies and still not be able to reach a conclusion.
Military pilots have mistaken Venus as a UAF.
I can't just trust an eyewitness account of something fishy as evidence for exterrestrial beings visiting us with faster than light speed vehicles.
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> Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history. I'll let Asimov speak on this because he says it better than I can. But this is not even remotely accurate. We've become less wrong over time. https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html
Thanks, I'll read it. I was quite precise in my wording and didn't say what you are responding to. My opinion (and it's just that, I'm unprepared to defend it) is that we've always been [less and less] wrong on everything. And since we can't know what the boundaries of knowledge are, and it could easily be some insane unbounded fractal existence, it seems rash to me to decide that we know enough to say that there can…