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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by shrimpx »

majestic5762 wrote: post #561
shrimpx wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s unlikely a secret cabal runs the world. Too hard to keep such a thing airtight.

People often imagine secret societies with secret gatherings, doing bizarre rituals. This is why it's hard to imagine such cabals. But they do exist and might be pretty chill: people smoking cigars, drinking and discussing ways of making money from their position of power. We all do that. Happens that some are more rich and powerful

Yeah people can create “cartels” and leverage power cooperatively. But it’s unlikely there’s secret “top cartel” with no leaks and no challengers.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

crispyambulance wrote: post #365
PaulRobinson wrote: post #318

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This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me. To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying. The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "ev…

> ...so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal". Those videos are getting old now. If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. Not to mention the fa…

You do know UAP being reported by military pilots is not a solely US thing, right?

And it being “old” does not mean we should increase or lower our expectations of one explanation or another.

This article is telling you people are trying to properly take and report measurements but there is a stigma to doing so. The whole point of the article is that science is being denied a chance to explain something that could have very serious consequences because of attitudes like, well, frankly, yours.

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Post by ALittleLight »

godelski wrote: post #620
bostonwalker wrote: post #548

Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

The UFOs could be autonomous, or they could originate from within our solar system.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

Maursault wrote: post #345
PaulRobinson wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me. To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying. The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "ev…

Three Men Make a Tiger[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger

I’ll counter this story with the entire foundation of Bayesian statistics.

This isn’t an example of cognitive bias if the information is from independent “readings”, from sources that are not motivated to deceive.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by vbezhenar »

godelski wrote: post #620
bostonwalker wrote: post #548

Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Can you elaborate on that?

As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories on asteroids and copy itself sending copies to further star systems. Of course at the same time exploring its "home" star system and transmit information they got to Earth.

So very quickly (in universe scale) our sphere of knowledge will expand limited only by some fuel tanks capacity required to accelerate and decelerate.

Yes, there will be years, decades, centuries and millenniums for this information to reach Earth. That's the nature of cosmos (according to our current knowledge) and we will have to deal with it.

Eventually probe will find planet with life. May be life is more abundant than we imagine now. May be not. Surely there will be protocols for the probe to investigate life. It's hard to imagine what those protocols would be. May be explore freely until certain technology advances are observed and then hide. So may be our ancestors saw alien probes on a regular basis and just didn't care. But now those probes observe that we've got quick airplanes so they hide better.

My point is that developed civilization inevitably will expand its sphere of influence at speed limited by speed of light. Probably slower than that. But billion of years at 0.1c is still huge chunk of universe. Are we sure that no civilization born within this radius billion years ago?

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Post by kapral18 »

reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

Check out the debunk of the debunk :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBt4CNHyAck

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by okdood64 »

reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

> they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective

False, congressional report shows not all of them can be attributed to that.

Mick West does good work, but he's not _neccesarily_ right on all accounts. Definitely good armchair expert porn though.

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Post by ALittleLight »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #611
wefarrell wrote: post #603

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That explanation fails to account for the multiple other sensors that picked them up, including several different radar systems and the fact that multiple pilots witnessed them with their eyes. However the other sensor data are classified which makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.

If they release the videos we will know! If they release the radar data we will know! If they release ...

The original article cites pilots, Congress-people, and members of the intelligence services saying there are hundreds of credible instances of apparently advanced technology documented by eyewitness testimony, video, radar, infrared, etc. Seems completely different than your parody here.

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Post by okdood64 »

hindsightbias wrote: post #438
okdood64 wrote: post #374

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It's incredible that armchair experts can dismiss something as a glitch from corroborated observations from some of the best aerial operators of the most powerful and well funded military on earth. Yes, glitches exist, but don't yet account for all cases. One can read the congressional reports that say the same.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For all their powerfullness and funding, I expect something better than 240p imagery. Particularly when it happens all the time in one of the most heavily instrumented naval test ranges on earth. But that’s just me.

What claim is being made? It's just a matter of taking these observations seriously.

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Post by AdamN »

Daz1 wrote: post #601
mlindner wrote: post #594

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Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Patently untrue, learning to identify aircraft by shape for both IFF and situational awareness purposes is standard.

But wouldn't that lead to more situations where unidentified reports are made by military pilots than civilians? They are supposed to identify all the things in the air so when they see an unidentified one, they are very attuned to the gap between their knowledge and what they observe (often intermediated with sensors). So if they see something visually that is not on the sensors, that's very weird. Also, something with a weird path - very weird. But these could be meteorites, debris from balloons, satellite parts, drones, projectiles (somebody shooting a gun or a laser at them) ... all sorts of stuff that are uncommon enough to be not part of any training or even known phenomena.

Civilian just sees something and unless it's really weird presumes that it's outside of their knowledge area but that makes sense because their universe of unknowns is large.

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