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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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It wasn't minor, it was crucial to determine the cause of the accident. The wings being on or off was not just a "discrepancy".

It's an irrelevant example. The question in THIS case is not whether "the wings fell off before or after hitting the water, if at all", but whether "there was a plane hitting the water at all" or "whether there even was a plane" (also a plane that was caught on multiple radars). It's simply not a good comparison. The Navy pilots say they see bogies on radar (not just visually) every day . Watch the "60 Minutes" broad…

Q: What's the most likely explanation?

A: Problems/glitches/bugs with the extremely complex radar system.

Q: What's a likely explanation?

A: We don't really understand everything there is to know about radar.

Q: What's the least likely explanation?

A: Alien craft buzzing around that nobody has ever managed to get a clear picture of.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

The UFOs could be autonomous, or they could originate from within our solar system.

I wrote a longer post and linked to the sibling comment. Yes, they could be autonomous. But there are still issues with that, specifically with the time for the communication to get back "home." (see sibling comment) This doesn't make things impossible, but it definitely decreases the likelihood.

As for within our solar system, I'm fairly certain this isn't true. There would be a crazy amount of effort to hide all that. Like you're hiding an entire civilization from x-rays, visible light, infrared, and radio. A civilization that would be constantly monitored (we pay a lot of attention to local objects). Possible, but these aliens clearly spent a lot of energy and resources to undertake this but have also hidden that resource collection (there's a feedback problem here). Combined with that we aren't sure for mechanisms for life. I'm not going to hold my breath.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history.

We've greatly increased the amount of things that can be done, but I wouldn't be so confident about the things that can't be done.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Oh I dunno. Maybe because that's what people do? We put billions into explaining stuff we don't understand.

Building a particle accelerator is not the same as adding 1% to the cost of an already costly machine for the off chance of proving some marginal phenomena visually.

Considering this goes up to congress and they think it might be a national security threat I don't think it's bad idea. It's also pretty doubtful this will even increase the cost by 1%.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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The original article cites pilots, Congress-people, and members of the intelligence services saying there are hundreds of credible instances of apparently advanced technology documented by eyewitness testimony, video, radar, infrared, etc. Seems completely different than your parody here.

It really isn’t, it’s what’s happened. The recordings released a couple of years ago were also breathlessly reported to be classified smoking gun evidence, confirmed by analysts, that would change everything. Except when we got to actually see them, what we saw was video of pilots patently misreading the sensor data shown in the same recording, and some fuzzy lens flared blobs that could be anything.

That's exactly what's in the article. I could quote it, but I'd basically just be copying and pasting the whole thing. Every element of my previous comment is in the original article.

Either the pilots, Senators, and intelligence officials are lying (or absurdly incompetent) or it is as they say.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Can you elaborate on that? As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories…

> We already sent probe out of our Solar System.

To give an idea of the scale involved, Voyager 1 is only 0.058% of the way to the nearest star system, and that took 45 years. Granted it wasn't built for speed but given that the best hypothetical plans for a spaceship we have allow travel at ~.1c it'll take 50 years not counting acceleration / deceleration.

> Eventually probe will find planet with life. May be life is more abundant than we imagine now. May be not. Surely there will be protocols for the probe to investigate life. It's hard to imagine what those protocols would be. May be explore freely until certain technology advances are observed and then hide.

Even assuming that some set of automated probes have been travelling our galaxy for millions of years, and reached earth in the last few thousand years, where are they now? By what mechanism could they even be hiding? Every inch of the planet is being watched by satellites.

> My point is that developed civilization inevitably will expand its sphere of influence at speed limited by speed of light. Probably slower than that. But billion of years at 0.1c is still huge chunk of universe.

As an aside, I'm not sure you could meaningfully have one civilization spanning hundreds of millions of light years, the ends are just too spread out for there to be a single cohesive or web of cultures. Imagine if an email took longer than our entire species existence to reach you.

> Are we sure that no civilization born within this radius billion years ago?

I personally am certain that there are many other forms of life throughout our galaxy, and at least some of them must be technological. As much as would like for it to be false, I also believe there is no realistic mechanism for travel between stars and we are all effectively doomed to stay in our little corner of creation, maybe spying on each other through telescopes, assuming we can even spot a neighbor.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UFOs could be autonomous, or they could originate from within our solar system.

I wrote a longer post and linked to the sibling comment. Yes, they could be autonomous. But there are still issues with that, specifically with the time for the communication to get back "home." (see sibling comment) This doesn't make things impossible, but it definitely decreases the likelihood. As for within our solar system, I'm fairly certain this isn't true. There would be a crazy amount of effort to hide all th…

Autonomous devices wouldn't need to send signals back home. They might be fully autonomous.

Also, I don't think we can rule out aliens within our solar system. An alien civilization beneath the ocean of some moon?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

It's amazing how many people believe that aliens are constantly flitting across our skies. I constantly wonder what the psyche is like of people who believe that kind of thing and what makes them so confident in it despite all the counter-veiling evidence. It seems to fool some of the most intelligent people the most and I'm not quite sure why.

All of that falls flat when you assume the phenomenon itself is intelligent.

So it's no surprise in the age of smartphones we don't see increased footage.

The evidence is out there. Don't be surprised you don't get it when you don't look into it and evaluate the evidence for yourself.

If you're interested, see UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean.

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