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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by godelski »

neom wrote: post #630
godelski wrote: post #619

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Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes. You need to pay attention to the accounts. There are some though, to be clear. But these cases aren't like the ones we're seeing videos of. They are often something that flew between the aircraft vertically. This could easily be a bird (lower altitudes) or even part of a weather balloon that is just in free fall (these are launched all the time and hav…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY scrub to 7 minutes in.

> New Radar

80kft in a second? Remember that the speed of sound is ~1.1kfps (at atm). But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. I'm going with new radar new glitch. Per the video, they don't describe seeing this movement except on radar and, from my understanding, not the other object with their physical eyes but the weapons systems (which the 60 minutes video even shows an example of a glitch with Go Fast).

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by godelski »

literalAardvark wrote: post #653
godelski wrote: post #620

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I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history. We've greatly increased the amount of things that can be done, but I wouldn't be so confident about the things that can't be done.

> Our understanding of physics has been broken for 100% of humanity's history.

I'll let Asimov speak on this because he says it better than I can. But this is not even remotely accurate. We've become less wrong over time.

https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by stevenhuang »

Animats wrote: post #529
belter wrote: post #414

- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

High-performance hobbyist drones are approaching UFO levels of performance.[1] Top speed of that one is well over 400MPH. One of those will cost you maybe US$8000. The triangular craft seen buzzing US Navy ships off the coast of California look a lot like those. There's a huge range of remote controlled aerial vehicles you can buy now. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k

UAPs have been seen since the 80s with the same unbelievable flight characteristics. They're not drones, at least not ours.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by vbezhenar »

godelski wrote: post #648
vbezhenar wrote: post #635

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Can you elaborate on that? As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories…

Sure, I actually wrote a longer comment here[0]. My understanding of what you're saying (no FTL) kinda falls under point 2 that I made. While I understand the mechanism you're discussing, is a civilization willing to spend a billion years waiting for the information to travel back home? I'd be under the impression that this would be a pure data collection pov and a quite risky one at that. You can't act on that infor…

But what kind of evidence could we have?

Sure, if we would find crashed space ship, that would be good evidence. We don't have that (or it's not public knowledge anyway).

Anything less than that would be hard to consider evidence. Especially if those things are trying to minimize encounters.

As to mining planets. I think that it makes more sense to mine asteroids. You don't need to overcome gravitational well and asteroids are quite rich when it comes to resources. Asteroid belt is huge. You can build lots of stuff there without fear to be noticed. Also it's not really clear how far can you go with minituatirization. We think about big ships but if you can operate on molecular level, may be you can stay small. Think about robots size of bacteria, size of ants and stuff like that. Alien anthill in some asteroid pit might be never noticed.

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Post by nprateem »

nl wrote: post #650
nprateem wrote: post #625

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I don't think so. These things can disable nukes according to testimony given to Congress. They're the basis of US supremacy. In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more. If it was a friendly country they'd have to share the tech. This tech is basically like developing 5th gen…

> These things can disable nukes according to testimony given to Congress. Citation required. > In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more. Perhaps this is exactly what the US is doing? Except the US knows it can't go to war because it'd lose.

This is the one that talks about UFOs disabling nukes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64njI0uNvGg

My mistake, the subjects offered to testify under oath to Congress (I'm not sure if they went on to do so, I think they may have but I can't find that video right now).

Regardless, this shows the phenomenon is over 50 years old according to credible witnesses, which makes the foreign adversary scenario unbelievable.

Check out Dr Greer's Disclosure Project.

This Nimitz incident needs to be viewed in the wider context of reports over the years, UFO images in art, and explanations in other sources e.g. the Mahabharata.

I was initially sceptical, but one can be too sceptical - all options need considering.

Putting it altogether, on the balance of probablilties I think aliens are in fact the only plausible explanation.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by stevenhuang »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #178
j0057 wrote: post #115

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There are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o .

Honestly the "it's aliens" explanation is so unlikely that I'd put "Wakanda is real" above it in my probability tables.

You can update your priors by looking into more cases. A pattern emerges.

See UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by godelski »

xavxav wrote: post #657
vbezhenar wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on that? As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories…

> We already sent probe out of our Solar System. To give an idea of the scale involved, Voyager 1 is only 0.058% of the way to the nearest star system, and that took 45 years. Granted it wasn't built for speed but given that the best hypothetical plans for a spaceship we have allow travel at ~.1c it'll take 50 years not counting acceleration / deceleration. > Eventually probe will find planet with life. May be life i…

> By what mechanism could they even be hiding? Every inch of the planet is being watched by satellites.

As well as ground based cameras, radar systems, infrasonic, particle detectors, scientific instruments, etc. And how would these ships power themselves for so long. To be able to do so while being hidden from xray, visible light, infrared, and radio? Except for maybe a few of these random sightings? Sure, it is possible, but doesn't sound likely.

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Post by mihaaly »

ajhurliman wrote: post #588
mlindner wrote: post #567

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Pilots are notoriously bad observers of anything outside their training. They see what they expect to see, just like any other humans.

Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Are they trained and used to judge things not fitting to the patterns (shape, behaviour, position, ...) of human made objects? Trained in the 'impossible'? I assumed their training has bounds on how human made objects behave. When something is outside this envelope may trigger non-standardised responses rooting in personality affected anchoring to some snippets of prior knowledge. Just like for any other human being out there.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by godelski »

vbezhenar wrote: post #664
godelski wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I actually wrote a longer comment here[0]. My understanding of what you're saying (no FTL) kinda falls under point 2 that I made. While I understand the mechanism you're discussing, is a civilization willing to spend a billion years waiting for the information to travel back home? I'd be under the impression that this would be a pure data collection pov and a quite risky one at that. You can't act on that infor…

But what kind of evidence could we have? Sure, if we would find crashed space ship, that would be good evidence. We don't have that (or it's not public knowledge anyway). Anything less than that would be hard to consider evidence. Especially if those things are trying to minimize encounters. As to mining planets. I think that it makes more sense to mine asteroids. You don't need to overcome gravitational well and ast…

> But what kind of evidence could we have?

The lack of evidence does not support a claim. Otherwise we'd make arguments about ghosts, invisible unicorns, and flying spaghetti monsters. Just to be clear. You're right that it is hard to consider evidence when it doesn't exist. So my believe of aliens visiting earth is in the probability ranges of these other things.

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Post by ilyt »

vbezhenar wrote: post #635
godelski wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Can you elaborate on that? As I see it. Let's say that human civilization does not turn Earth to a nuclear wasteland but rather resolves its social issues and proceeds with colonization of Solar System. We already sent probe out of our Solar System. It does not look for me to be impossible technology to build a probe with AI and robots smart enough to reach another star system, decelerate there, build some factories…

> Eventually probe will find planet with life. May be life is more abundant than we imagine now. May be not. Surely there will be protocols for the probe to investigate life. It's hard to imagine what those protocols would be. May be explore freely until certain technology advances are observed and then hide. So may be our ancestors saw alien probes on a regular basis and just didn't care. But now those probes observe that we've got quick airplanes so they hide better.

Surely the protocol wouldn't be "show a tic tac in the sky and disappear foerver"

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