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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by nprateem »

willis936 wrote: post #109
yunohn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

I'm wondering why a multi-million dollar aircraft doesn't have a $10k imaging system when I put a $300 imaging system on my $30k car. If I'm willing to spend 1% to understand equipment damage then why would this logic not follow for a billion dollar fleet of aircraft? Like-minded drivers have caught amazing videos of meteors. Planes could do the same for supposedly legitimate UAP sightings.

Probably for the same reason nobody thought it was possible to make a plane disappear before MH70 or whatever it was.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by Ancalagon »

themanmaran wrote: post #225
driggs wrote: post #214

> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.

Or that it’s the point of greatest interest for some adversary (alien or terrestrial )

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by CosmicShadow »

bluepizza wrote: post #174
nradov wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unreasonable because installing and maintaining aviation qualified cameras is expensive. You can't just strap a consumer action camera to the wing and expect the FAA to approve. Airlines have no incentive to pay for extra cameras.

There are plenty incentives to including imaging as part of black boxes. Nothing unreasonable about it. It would help elucidate several non-UFO normal life kind of incidents.

If there were, they'd do it, but it doesn't help their business, so they don't.

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Post by jerf »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #200
pmarreck wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. come on, man. at some point, after enough of these reports, toeing the line you're toeing starts to look ludicrous. these are trained observers, pilots who know what to expect in the sky. and do not take lightly that there is still a certain amount of embarrassment (a social cost) to even coming forward, so to even mak…

Darn it, I hate predictability. Why is it always, always, always "just watch this 'short' hour-long video of random people talking with fake authority and undeserved confidence", and never "here just check out this Cochrane meta study and review data & evidence linked" (I made the mistake of clicking and now YouTube thinks I want to see "this man shows evidence usa possesses exotic matter", "real photos of JFK killer…

Go to your history and delete it. I assume this does little to nothing for ads, but it definitely does affect suggestions.

I like the occasional "cute animal" video, but if you leave one in your history, YouTube becomes a cute animal machine.

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Post by carabiner »

supernova87a wrote: post #147

In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…

The tic tac was seen by naked eye though:

> During a routine training mission in 2004, Dietrich and her then-commanding officer had noticed an unusual "churning" of the ocean surface before seeing "a smooth, white oblong object resembling a large Tic Tac breath mint flying at high speed over the water."

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by flatiron »

themanmaran wrote: post #225
driggs wrote: post #214

> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.

Or from foreign entities wondering what’s up with our military facilities.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by nonethewiser »

Fezzik wrote: post #161
snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

The close-minded approach is to accept someone’s fantastical claim because you want to, or just because the claim is being made, when the claim is contrary to mountains and centuries of evidence. The open-minded take incorporates all the possible evidence to reach the most likely conclusion. And the conclusion is never, so far, either aliens or magic. It’s just silly to conclude that an observation that has no immedi…

> The close-minded approach

There are many ways to be close minded.

Whose accepting someone's fantastical claim and what claim is that? Its mostly people speculating and acknowledging that its unexplained.

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Post by angry_moose »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #200
pmarreck wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. come on, man. at some point, after enough of these reports, toeing the line you're toeing starts to look ludicrous. these are trained observers, pilots who know what to expect in the sky. and do not take lightly that there is still a certain amount of embarrassment (a social cost) to even coming forward, so to even mak…

Darn it, I hate predictability. Why is it always, always, always "just watch this 'short' hour-long video of random people talking with fake authority and undeserved confidence", and never "here just check out this Cochrane meta study and review data & evidence linked" (I made the mistake of clicking and now YouTube thinks I want to see "this man shows evidence usa possesses exotic matter", "real photos of JFK killer…

The name of the show is 60 Minutes, a popular and generally reputable* US news program.

The actual clip is 13 minutes.

*Because I know it's coming, yes, they aren't perfect; but considering they've been going 55 years they're far better than most. I found they were pretty balanced in this clip - skeptical but not dismissive.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by lamontcg »

themanmaran wrote: post #225
driggs wrote: post #214

> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.

Or because they're sensor artifacts on military systems and those systems tend to be flown over military facilities.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by newZWhoDis »

psychphysic wrote: post #213
supernova87a wrote: post #147

In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…

It's worth mentioning also the infamous go fast and swivel videos have been explained. And both revealed that several pilots we mislead by the same simple phenomena. And it wasn't a pilot who explained it but engineers who actually knew how the sensors worked.

Absolutely they have not, no credible debunking of those videos exist.
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