It’s also worth considering why this seems to be a phenomenon that exclusively effects military aircraft. I can certainly imagine that the military would not mind if it was seen as the last line of defense against a mysterious, extremely powerful force, especially when we’re effectively in peacetime. Apparently the aliens didn’t pick up an interest in the tens of thousands of sorties flown over Afghanistan or Iraq. It’s also worth remembering that the CIA was recently extremely vocally concerned about a mysterious “sonic weapon” death ray that turned out to be either frog noises or simply non-existent. The US government has shown that its quite willing to completely fabulate or at least tacitly support bullshit if it serves their purposes.
As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
An autonomous monitoring system for galactic-scale existential risk bearing technologies would def have probes that monitored the technological development of remote civilizations.
I sometimes wonder if these galactic powers (if they exist) will prevent the creation of AGI.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…
If they're non-human in origin then the whole thing is even less actionable. We're not going to learn the secrets of hyper drive just because the military acknowledges that these are real phenomena.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o .
youtubers can hand waive off a few grainy videos. You can’t waive off corroborating classified data from radar, sonar, satellites, and military pilot testimony.
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#145Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something that might support what fringe idiots believe.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…
Three videos is not a preponderance of data. The number of photos taken in the past day exceeds the number of photos taken in the past year exceeds the number of photos taken in the 20th century. We have cameras in space, we have cameras everywhere we have people, so then where is the expected increase in observations? UFO sightings have been relatively steady, with peaks and valleys as the zeitgeist ebbs and flows.…
All I can say to you is to look into the last NDAA legislation. These former DoD officials have convinced congress members enough to include legislation to further study UAP and create a system for pilots to report their events properly.
One final note: a true scientist should never rule out a possibility. Blanket saying “it’s never aliens” is wrong, because one day we almost for sure will find alien life in the universe.
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#147Turned out, it was noise / amplifier signal correlated with the adjacent chip dumping overexposed pixels on readout. He was embarrassed after a professor pointed out (after inspecting the files) that it always appeared on the same exact pixel coordinates on the array, but learned his lesson to try to disprove your own observations with independent tests.
I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. Were the pilots reporting things seen with their eyes, or looking at imaging displays that have been processed. And maybe... were recently illuminated with lasers... hm? There certainly seem to be a pathology of similar reports of "the object never moved in the viewfinder, and would imply the ability to move suddenly at supersonic speeds"
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#148These videos just look like optical artifacts of the lenses of the cameras, as discussed here: https://youtu.be/jHDlfIaBEqw Is there any evidence that there's more to these videos than that?
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposit…
If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…
I don't agree with this at all.
Firstly I suspect it isn't real.
But if it is then I think it's most likely some human group has a technological breakthrough and it using it like this.
Say a US adversary wanted to give a "don't fuck with us" message to the US military. Outperforming state-of-the-art US fighters would be a good way to do it.
And just because the HN forum commentators don't know who it is doesn't mean the US intelligence community doesn't know. It might be broadly known that the Kamerians have access to this tech, and the knowledge is classified "to avoid broad panic".
There might be secret briefing to congress about it, which would explain perfectly why there is an apparent lack of action. All responses are classified.
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#150And I agree it's something to be monitored, and we must not assume any sighting is a joke - but it does not mean we have to assume any sighting is extraordinary either.