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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #60
likeabbas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…

I'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposit…

Like the other commenter said, there’s a huge stigma amongst military officials to not report these events because the stigma is a career ended. That’s why the government added legislation mandating the DoD create a channel for these events to be reported.

Diving a little deeper, if the military suspected these aircraft were foreign adversary then this would be big news. But they don’t. They believe it’s something else entirely, which is why it’s not been public headlines until recently.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by JKCalhoun »

stevenhuang wrote: post #66
JKCalhoun wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposit…

If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…

If they're non-human in origin then the whole thing is even less actionable. We're not going to learn the secrets of hyper drive just because the military acknowledges that these are real phenomena.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

scotty79 wrote: post #78
stevenhuang wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…

> these would be non-human in origin. So they must be natural in origin. There's no other option.

The direct quote from former DoD officials is that these aircraft are most a likely non-human intelligence.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by localplume »

klghqr wrote: post #34

The press and politicians started hyping up the UFO issue last year when it was clear that we were headed for cold war 2.0. It is a great narrative to get more funding, get people interested in space and the MIC, etc. The timing is suspect, it seems like just another manufactured crisis.

that doesn't make any sense though. UFOs dont get people interested in "space". if its aerospace then rockets and spacecraft do that just fine, and if its hard sciences then there are a billion other cool, real things. the MIC? yeah UFO people are famously pro-government and pro-military. the most well known media featuring UFOs/aliens, the X-Files, is full of government-related conspiracy theories.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by scotty79 »

likeabbas wrote: post #87
scotty79 wrote: post #81

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> But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was ... farther than instruments indicated ... Which still beats "it's aliens" by a long shot.

Multiple of the most sophisticated instruments for this purpose on the planet are capturing this data. If the US was flying F18s that misconstrued the range of a foreign adversary by over 20 nautical miles, that would be a huge story in of itself.

You trust the tech way too much to the point of not being able to confidently reject the impossible.

This woderful US military tech tracked a guy in Afghanistan for a day and bombed him thinking that water he was carrying home to his children is explosive and he's a terrorist.

It's not aliens.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

marmetio wrote: post #56
likeabbas wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is that supposed to mean? This is about gaining a further understanding of reality; the universe

> it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk

I didn’t forget. This issue could be both a security risk for our military members, and also an exciting venture for science.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mach1ne »

willis936 wrote: post #77
likeabbas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…

Three videos is not a preponderance of data. The number of photos taken in the past day exceeds the number of photos taken in the past year exceeds the number of photos taken in the 20th century. We have cameras in space, we have cameras everywhere we have people, so then where is the expected increase in observations? UFO sightings have been relatively steady, with peaks and valleys as the zeitgeist ebbs and flows.…

If the events happen mainly at altitudes, smartphones have a hard time capturing them. There’s also the argument that since these would be super-intelligent beings, they might aim for a level of exposure that they’re confident won’t make the grand public believe in their existence.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #89
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #74

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This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

Seen through instrumentation, aberrations or artefacts from the sensors, or even active jamming could explain the instantaneous acceleration

That's true, but "abberations or artefacts" are more of a low-effort non-explanation than an explanation, and unlikely to satisfy anyone who isn't already skeptical. Active jamming is... the kind of role that a high-intensity two-photon laser would be being tested for.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by jackmott »

runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by nradov »

edgyquant wrote: post #71
yunohn wrote: post #47

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Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

Yes. Why is that unreasonable?

It's unreasonable because installing and maintaining aviation qualified cameras is expensive. You can't just strap a consumer action camera to the wing and expect the FAA to approve. Airlines have no incentive to pay for extra cameras.
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