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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

j0057 wrote: post #115
likeabbas wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is throwing away all of the constructs of what we know. This may turn out to be sensor malfunction. But the DoD has over 300 events of unidentified objects that exhibit interesting flight characteristics. At the very least we should not be ignoring this data, but studying it deeply to figure out what it is. Either it’s a foreign adversary with advanced technology, an adversary that is spoofing our sensor syste…

There are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o .

youtubers can hand waive off a few grainy videos. You can’t waive off corroborating classified data from radar, sonar, satellites, and military pilot testimony.

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Post by mkl »

yunohn wrote: post #47
shortcake27 wrote: post #45

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Here’s the thing that gets me. A 767 costs hundreds of millions of dollars and yet I’ve filmed better videos with a potato. Why is the pilot filming with his smartphone? Why does the plane not have a sophisticated high-quality purpose-built camera system that can record phenomena like this?

Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

More "why don't they have general-purpose dashcam-equivalents", for capturing anything of interest, e.g. the near-miss that was on HN yesterday.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

likeabbas wrote: post #125
traverseda wrote: post #113

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A ball of super heated plasma would show up visually.

Have you heard Cmdr Dave Fravor’s testimony of the incident? A ball plasma does not exhibit intelligent movement as the way the tic tac began to mirror him as he descended on to it

What if the ball plasma was the product of the end of someone's high-power gimbal-mounted laser, which they were intelligently steering while watching him fly?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #120
likeabbas wrote: post #105

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It absolutely could be an adversary spoofing our sensor systems. But, I would argue the testimonies of the 4 pilots that saw the object with their own eyes may rule that out (unless it was some kind of hologram). Whatever it is, we need to further study it because more and more military pilots are seeing them and their military exercises are being disrupted

That's the thing! A high-intensity laser (or microwave, etc) can certainly produce a visible phenomenon, through heating or ionization of the air, scattering, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be visible through sensors only.

It totally could be. I have to wonder where the laser would be shot off from though. Either a satellite above, which we should see, or a submarine/ship near by, which should be tracked on sonar.

Whatever it is, we need to find out. I’m not 100% on the ET hypothesis. This could be human tech and just spoofing. But we need to know

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by narag »

hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna.

Maybe not. Even when it all started, a few cases were alledgedly air combat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantell_UFO_incident

Other incidents crashes, like Roswell. Obviously I cannot vouch for any of those :-) just wanted to point that air fighters at the time were much less sophisticated than today. Maybe people that travels between stars are not so interested in bringing state-of-the-art war machines with them. The technology to maneuver a drone or vehicle at incredible speed or angles might still be vulnerable to bullets or missiles.

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Post by andbberger »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #74
likeabbas wrote: post #17

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics. This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=... This paper shows the tic tac video e…

This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

ion beam. look at the energy dissipation rate charts for ion beams in matter.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by traverseda »

likeabbas wrote: post #125
traverseda wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ball of super heated plasma would show up visually.

Have you heard Cmdr Dave Fravor’s testimony of the incident? A ball plasma does not exhibit intelligent movement as the way the tic tac began to mirror him as he descended on to it

Sure it does, this small scale demo can even draw the death star in mid air

https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma

That's certainly no natural phenomenon!

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #110
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #98

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That's true, but "abberations or artefacts" are more of a low-effort non-explanation than an explanation, and unlikely to satisfy anyone who isn't already skeptical. Active jamming is... the kind of role that a high-intensity two-photon laser would be being tested for.

What would a "high-intensity two-photon laser" be? A two-photon X-ray laser?

Ah, I don't mean that the laser outputs only two photons, but that it (might) be designed around 2-photon interactions, so if you have two very-high-intensity IR lasers and the beams meet at a point in space, that crossing point could locally ionize the air as though it consisted of a beam of photons with higher energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

akomtu wrote: post #122
kcplate wrote: post #28

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>> To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna I always find it odd that we ascribe a human understanding of logic to an alien species. Seems to me we wouldn’t know jack shit about motivations, capabilities, approaches to decision making, etc…

From the descriptions, the aliens act like we would with a slightly better tech: they act like rangers in a national forest monitoring suspicious activity of smart beavers, but otherwise don't mess with the wildlife.

That's just the ones we can see.
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