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The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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Few things have a single cause, but I think it's not outlandish to hypothesize that potential pending famines could be driven by a fertilizer shortage, driven by Russia's invasion and global economic issues, driven by the pandemic. Maybe this is obvious to those smarter than I, but I'm beginning to have a sinking sense that direct deaths by SARS-COV2 will be a shockingly small minority of total deaths caused by the p…

It's not really the conflict directly so much as the sanctions campaigns that followed.

Russia and Belarus are the number one and two suppliers of a basic fertilizer component, but now Western aligned nation cannot import from them and the Brits have gone further by making it harder to insure the shipments which affects the ability for Russia (and by extension Belarus) to export to anyone by sea.

The Germans _could_ have helped make up the difference since they can make some amount of fertilizer using natural gas, but some terrorist state (we still don't know exactly who) blew up NS1 and NS2 which makes this basically impossible. Germany now needs to preserve all its gas just to keep some manufacturing going, heat people's homes, and run the lights.

The pandemic has had some effect, but a lot of the fertilizer being sold internationally goes to Egypt, the Middle East, and North Africa. It doesn't actually have to go all that far in the global scheme of things.

The conflict itself affects wheat prices, since Ukraine is a major wheat exporter (as is Russia), but the fertilizer issues are due primarily to Western sanctions and Kremlin counter-sanctions.

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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Two things. 1. I hate how everything has to have a financialised solution: To achieve this, the report suggests “mobilizing international financial support” and implementing tools such as “fertilizer contract swaps” to keep farmer costs manageable. 2. I read articles like this and wonder, will the world ditch meat, or will will the richer countries continue to eat ridiculous amounts of the stuff, using up all the lan…

Demand for meat is rising due to incomes level rising in developing nations. Developing nations also outnumber developed nations, so whatever climate-saving diet related behaviors the West decides to take is still going to face pressure from an even larger group of people who want to spend their growing paycheck on goods like meat.

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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Nitrogen fertilizers are directly responsible for keeping about 3-4 billion people alive today. Any persistent shortage or supply chain disruption should be considered a global security issue.

This is a key insight and unfortunately not enough people make it to this cold hard fact before they begin preaching about food system transformation.

Nat gas + Haber Bosch is the foundational structure of our food system and its ability to feed our current population. Perhaps a new innovation will replace it, but so far much of the proposed methods are complete fairy tale nonsense which will result in mass starvation without appropriate due diligence.

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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In places where you have enough water, that doesn't sound like a problem. It's not like the water is lost forever. (In those places where you have enough water, and don't take it out of an ancient non-replenishing aquifer or so.)

Sure, but water is hardly the only input they're optimizing for. They're reducing the need for pesticides and fungicides by controlling the ambient environment around the plants. Reducing the need for fertilizers by optimizing growing conditions and limiting runoff and waste. Basically - the attitude there has been: "Build the right environment for the plant" followed by a focus on efficient (and therefor cost effect…

> They're reducing the need for pesticides and fungicides by controlling the ambient environment around the plants.

Not just the ambient environment. When you go soilless through hydroponics, you eliminate a lot of soil borne disease issues. Even soil control through pots instead of direct ground contact prevents a lot of problems wiggling around.

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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The real problem is majority of crops being grown for animal agriculture, which is an extremely wasteful way of producing food. We'd only need a fraction of the farmlands if we were actually eating the crops we grow. Sadly, we can't count on consumers making rational choices and politicians are not going to tank their popularity by pushing for these changes. It's the same as climate change.

I'm not sure what you mean by not making rational choices? People have a preference for meat. Rationality doesn't say what your preferences should be, it just helps you satisfy them.

People have a preference for meat post huge subsidies, which essentially makes the preference mean nothing whatsoever. If people prefer meat when it's not subsidised, then sure, what the hell, let them have it.

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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the market does work for goods whose demand is inelastic at the cme wheat costs 8.38 dollars per bushel, 31¢ per kg, and 1 kg of wheat is roughly two person-days' worth of food, 57 dollars per person-year (of course an actual diet needs to be more varied and therefore slightly more expensive, but even just cooked wheat will extend your survival time under famine conditions by quite a lot) let's start by dividing the…

I absolutely agree, and admire your comprehensive explanation. While the market may sound greedy, you can't legislate away human nature. People just won't work for free. If you also want to address inequality, then by all means implement progressive/negative income taxes. But mess with production and distribution incentives (like implementing price controls) and you have a recipe for disaster.

yes, and even more intrusive ways of addressing inequality such as subsidizing food prices with tax money can be effective without creating a perverse incentive to restrict the food supply precisely when it's most needed

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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What they don't seem to be talking about is learning from indigenous farming communities who use things like diversity in crops and rotation to keep soil quality high. These problems were solved decades ago, just not by the industrial farming community

It's like everyone who's ever watched a YouTube video about planting a 3 sisters garden has an opinion for the people actually staking their livelihood on this now.

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Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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> Regenerative agriculture relies on poultry and livestock to restore the topsoil layer. Why not use human excrement instead?

"The use of untreated human feces in agriculture poses significant health risks and has contributed to widespread infection with parasitic worms—a disease called helminthiasis, affecting over 1.5 billion people in developing countries." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_feces

It's the same for using animal feces. There are ways to mitigate risk.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b02811

Re: The fertilizer shortage will persist in 2023

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I'm not sure why the general tone of HN seems to be that modern farming isn't changing at all. Erosion has been on everyone's radar for decades. We went from plow -> till -> low till -> no till. Believe me, the folks who do this talk about plowing practices and cover crops. They also discuss GMO crops and the crazy legal restrictions around seed that come with it. > Brown earth has a deep top layer where most of the…

> I'm not sure why the general tone of HN seems to be that modern farming isn't changing at all. Indeed. Perhaps somewhere out there is a parallel forum filled with farmers opining about computer programming, with equally inane remarks like "Have those programmers ever thought about making languages that translate into machine code instead of writing everything out as ones and zeros?"

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