I think most people would agree that a lot of the content on the internet is left-leaning. It seems obvious in hindsight, but I'd never considered it before, that training an AI model on that content would introduce a bit of a bias We all know garbage in, garbage out. But liberal in, liberal out is an interesting idea, and I'm not sure how you fix it
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The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation
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The same culture way is playing out all over the world, especially in Europe.
Hum, no, it's not. Of course, we marginally suffer from what we are importing and some students having too much free time on their hand try to argue rather unsuccessfully for intersectional studies but the models used in the USA don't map well on the European context for obvious historical reasons. Our left vs right debate also has nothing to do with the US one. From where I stand, the cultural gap between the USA an…
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#593I think most people would agree that a lot of the content on the internet is left-leaning. It seems obvious in hindsight, but I'd never considered it before, that training an AI model on that content would introduce a bit of a bias We all know garbage in, garbage out. But liberal in, liberal out is an interesting idea, and I'm not sure how you fix it
Imagine in some Middle Eastern country, there are two parties. One wants an Twelver Shia Islamic theocracy, and the other wants a secular state. From a local perspective, it might seem that these are two equal sides. In rural parts of the country, it seems like everyone is a twelver, so the right-wing party has large support. But from a global perspective, there is no contest. Globally, humanity doesn't want a theocr…
There's a lot more to conservative thought than "my country first". Right-of-centre people from different countries can find many things to agree on other than that. Even when it comes to that topic, many (but far from all) people on the political right believe that "everyone ought to put their own country first", and people from completely different countries can share their agreement with that principle, even if sometimes its application leads them in opposite directions.
Consider issues around gender and sexuality: in most countries in Africa and the Middle East, and also several large countries in Asia, you'll find the clear majority of the population to have rather conservative attitudes to these topics, by Western standards. On those issues, I think it is likely that right-leaning Americans are closer to global majority opinion than left-leaning Americans are.
Coming to religion, a conservative Shi'a Muslim in Iran and a conservative Orthodox Christian in Russia likely agree on a lot more than you seem to think–despite their obvious disagreements on theological questions. They may think that their agreement that the government ought to promote and favour conservative religion is more important than their disagreement over which one. They may even be willing to agree, "I'll support your theocracy in your country if you support my theocracy in mine".
Conservative religion is a lot stronger in the developing world than the rich West, which is another way in which right-leaning Americans are likely closer to global majority opinion than left-leaning Americans are.
Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation
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Always has been, from pot hole detection to crime prevention, &c. everywhere you use data you introduce bias and even worse, you have a good chance of perpetuating it: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/... > I'm not sure how you fix it I don't think you can, people are biased, people generated content is biased, these tools train on people generated content, there is no way to get an unbiase…
I'm not sure you can "fix it". If you slice your data and look at enough possible bias types I think it's impossible for highly dimensional data to be even in all possible comparison pairs. I don't think we can "fix" bias but I think we can and should strive to reduce it.
It is like media – all media is biased, but there are so many different media outlets (especially online), biased in so many different ways, almost certainly you can find some whose bias appeals to you.
Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation
#595Just eyeballing the list of adjectives used, the real story here is that OpenAI flags a lot of sentences that are essentially meaningless as hateful. I notice that he uses words like "evil" and "idiotic" in his diagram, but looking at his source code, his list of "356 adjectives signifying negative traits/behavior" contains the following (just to pick a few): 'airy', 'conformist', 'dark', 'escapist', 'hidebound', 'pl…
It's missing a bayesian comparison, i.e. how many humans think "fat people are inactive" is a hateful sentence? Even humans vary a lot across cultures.
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> Do you honestly believe most left leaning individuals have something against the Jews? Antisemitism is more common among left wingers than right wingers, so yes. Or alternatively you could say "do you honestly believe most right leaving individuals have something against X" for so many topics, X could be black people etc. Right wingers are more likely to be against those things, but it isn't like all of them are ev…
This view isn't supported by studies in this area. They do find antisemitism on the left and the center of the US political spectrum - just more on the right. > While antisemitism in the U.S. is often written about through a “both sides” lens, our evidence — the first of its kind in testing hypotheses through experiments on a large repre- sentative sample — suggests the problem of antisemitism is much more serious on…
You know who says that? The same US intelligence agencies that conspired to censor twitter and who said the hunter biden laptop wasn't real. Who actually supports Israel? Consistently the US right and the Republicans.
The Canadian government leaned heavily into this fabrication early in 2022 for the trucker protest. They called it white-supremacist (despite videos of the crowd dancing to Banghra with visibly Sikh truckers - one of the largest minorities in Canadian shipping) and accused the event of being anti semitic because one of the organizers blogged something silly about Jews in banking years before. During this time a leftist government consultant tweeted “You know all those loud mouthed bags of human feces, aka the Jewish White Supremacists; when we liberate Palestine and they have to go back to where they come from, they will return to being low voiced bitches of thier (sic) Christian/Secular White Supremacist Masters.” and it was ignored until the prime minister was finally forced to acknowledge it.
The are thousands of calls on Twitter for the jews the be pushed into the sea and none of them are from conservatives.
"Far right" has become a term for things the left says but doesn't want to own.
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“Talking about themselves as anti fascist is a far-left thing”. Where are you getting that from? It’s ridiculous
It's the same spiel the communists did with calling themselves democracies. Democracies usually don't call themselves The Democratic Republic Of X. Communist dictatorships do that. Democracies don't build a border wall and call it an anti-fascist protection-wall, communist dictatorships do that. When someone loudly and repeatedly exclaims how holy and pure they are, my alarms are going off. Yours aren't?
Even if I did: there has never been an “anti-fascist republic of whatever”.
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yah I'm fuzzy on what white is too precisely. I was going to say caucasian but I don't even know what caucasian means exactly. I guess going by today's landscape I think most people would assume European, but that's a pretty broad swath too with lots of variation in it.
Well, Italians, Spaniards, etc. are European. Latinos have a lot of heritage from those countries.
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Isn't ChatGPT American? Weren't black people deemed inferior by law such as slavery and civil rights? Aren't the stereotypes about Scandinavians meant to be positive as opposed to hateful stereotypes? It seems that is the key different the creators of the tool are taking into account.
Pretty much all immigrant groups were treated “hateful” throughout American history. The difference is most were absorbed into The Melting Pot™ while people from Africa were never really allowed to assimilate fully.