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Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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>No. If such a system could work in any meaningful way, it would be already in place. I'm reminded of the EMH joke about the economist walking by a 100 dollar bill on the street, assuming that it must be fake because if it were real, someone already would have picked it up.

What is EMH? Sounds like a crypto convention to me.

Efficient Markets Hypothesis

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Regardless of what form of government is currently ruling a given country, ultimately the people within it are responsible for the actions taken by the government, not the government itself. As for your other point, I agree, free balanced independent journalism, whistleblower, leaks, etc - play a clear role in insuring public stays informed. That said, in my opinion, if 90% percent of a population was against somethi…

I can be against something but not believe it is worth fighting to the death for. My town implemented a new tax that is highly unlikely to accomplish its stated goals. I’m not going to overthrow the government over $300 a year. It’s the thousands of little paper cuts that build up over time but that can go on for an entire lifetime without ever reaching a breaking point.

Agree, there’s rarely critical point that would merit such a response, but obviously one that for some reason, for example being invaded by an authoritarian regime that intents to kill you regardless of what you to would I think for most be an ethical response. Fortunately, world has managed to avoid significant percentage of the world needing to make that choice for awhile.

While understand the death from thousands of little paper cuts issue, generally speaking, even when face with notable conflict, most people rarely independently take responsibility for insuring they aware of what’s going on and attempt to have an impact on the situation.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…

I've always wondered behind the rationale on privacy being a human right. What if it wasn't? What if instead we were enforcing transparency? Force everything to be public, starting from the government down to the local coffee shop. All transactions, all communications, everything. Make privacy a crime for everybody, including the government and the military. Just as a thought exercise, it would be a remarkably differ…

Without privacy, human beings cannot be their true, complete selves. Why do some people only sing in the shower?

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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The best way to deal with this is non-compliance and there need to be technical solutions to deny such attempts. One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall. Google just added age restriction on blogger. Result is that you need to provide Google with ID information to access some cont…

> Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall.

Your statement makes it look like OAuth2 is inherently endangering net freedom.

This isn't true.

If OAuth2 was used ...

- for authentication (versus authorization) only AND

- AND by a select few providers (e.g. Google, Github, Facebook, Twitter) solely AND

- AND NO other privacy-protecting authentication methods (e.g. classic username-password credentials) are available

... THEN your statement has reasonable truth.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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It's 1984 for real. I read Edward Snowdens biography a couple weeks ago and one thing that floors me is people's lackadaisical response to the gross violation of laws our government was violating.

I think people are afraid to stand up for there right to privacy, because they feel unpatriotic or that it may make them look like a criminal with something to hide.

I do belive with proper due process and warranting the government should be able to carry out covert surveillance of those suspected of MAJOR terrorism only. But who draws that line? And how do you trust them?

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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> I don't think you'd see anything close to this level of resistance if victory would mean an authoritarian Ukraine rather than a democratic Ukraine. Ah, well: I do. I think this has extraordinarily little to do with any "political system", of which Ukraine and Russia were both quite similar. One Nation invaded another, and in such moments people's nationalism is trigged. One defends' "one's own nation" regardless .…

I don't think your reading lines up with history. Putin was clearly content to allow Ukraine a large degree of sovereignty and autonomy as long as they remained under an authoritarian system. If nationalism was the only driver, why overthrow Yanukovych, thereby spitting in Putin's face and risking domination by another country? What wasn't tolerable to Putin was a bourgeoning democracy on Russia's doorstep with simil…

The "authoritarian system" in question was russia's ethnic-imperial system of empire. That it was "authoritarian" is far less important than its being Russian, ethnically and culturally.

The offense to russia was first to turn to the west, and hence as Russia sees it, a counter-empire; and the secondly, the suprise and outrage, to believe that it's a Nation.

Both are incomprehensible to Russia -- it has nothing to do with how "authoritarian" anything is.

These are the concerns of intellectuals in op-eds

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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EU Parliament has nothing to do with this proposal. It's proposed by the EU Commission, and such things have been struck down by the Parliament before. Also: Britain hardly has any leg to stand on regarding privacy (which is something the EU usually has a focus on[0]). Did you forget the Snoopers Charter[1]? That isn't a proposal. That's law. [0]: https://gdpr.eu [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Power…

> It's proposed by the EU Commission, and such things have been struck down by the Parliament before. Like article 13?

Which Article 13? If you mean of the European Copyright Directive, it was renamed to Article 17 and passed 4 years ago.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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There is no example, especially if you’re limiting to significant global powers.

What if we don’t limit to significant global powers and look at all countries on earth?

For starters, have you reviewed this Wikipedia page:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

As for my specific response, the existence of a non-global power example to me is irrelevant, since it’s unlikely to change the course of humanity. If you have an example, specific counter point, request for clarification, etc — happy to attempt to respond.

This comment by me within this thread might also expand on the topic you’re asking about:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34629443

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #333

The best way to deal with this is non-compliance and there need to be technical solutions to deny such attempts. One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall. Google just added age restriction on blogger. Result is that you need to provide Google with ID information to access some cont…

Apple and Google will do what the EU tells them to do in the end.

That won't stop them trying to lobby their way into banning third parties from the web if they could.

Apple, Google, and Facebook are the 5th, 6th, and 7th largest lobbyists in the EU.

https://www.lobbyfacts.eu/?sort=lob&order=desc

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Understand. For clarity though, I don’t mean literal predictability, I mean relative predictability from the individual’s perspective, which for some actual means life being predictability unpredictable; to some degree, I am, in part because I value the chance to improvise, but anyone that knows me would say that’s predictable. As for population migration, statistics I had heard before, was roughly half of world’s po…

I am absolutely willing to buy the rationale based on personal anecdata, but wouldn't it also mean that the other half of the world's population does ( as in, it is basically a coin toss as to whether or move or not)? I might be conflating some word meanings here so please correct me as needed.

Yes, agree, given it’s roughly 50/50, it actually might in fact be random.
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