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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by behnamoh »

apples_oranges wrote: post #230
ezekg wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

This is hacker news, a title that includes breaking the rules. Should almost be a matter of pride to get it for less than $20..

> Should almost be a matter of pride to get it for less than $20.

When you're a high schooler, yes, even Steve Jobs did it. But when your monthly salary is easily in the thousands, it's not a matter of pride to get it for <$20, it's a matter of stupidity.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by Gigachad »

Baeocystin wrote: post #320
qwertox wrote: post #145

~~~ To the ChatGPT Team ~~~ I'm currently receiving answers FROM OTHER USERS with this new version from 30 Jan, completely unrelated to my question: Q: Why is it easier for me to do endurance training on an empty stomach? A1: There are several things you can do to reduce the chance of getting a yeast infection: regenerate response: A2: There are many benefits to using cloud storage solutions such as Google Drive, Dro…

Adding on to this, I've experienced the same. Seems to be a new bug as of Sunday's release.

I experienced this a few weeks ago

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by thinkingemote »

loteck wrote: post #338

Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?

It's about the presentation, the style, the formatting, the syntax of the responses than the actual content.

That is what a lot of writing is but it's not everything

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Post by regentbowerbird »

jimbob45 wrote: post #215
kensai wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want an oracle? Copyright as we know it might be in trouble in such a case. Litigations will go crazy.

Asimov theorized such an AI as Multivac (a joke from Univac) and wrote a number of short stories exploring how it would change the world. He had one short story in particular where one citizen would be called in front of Multivac and, based on their answers to Multivac's questions, Multivac would (accurately) infer who the winner of the presidential election should be, obviating the need for expensive elections to be…

> He had one short story in particular where one citizen would be called in front of Multivac and, based on their answers to Multivac's questions, Multivac would (accurately) infer who the winner of the presidential election should be, obviating the need for expensive elections to be run.

Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion but my interpretation of Franchise is that the depicted government is a dictatorship. I would say the the end of the story seems pretty sarcastic:

> Suddenly, Norman Muller felt proud. It was on him now in full strength. He was proud.

> In this imperfect world, the sovereign citizens of the first and greatest Electronic Democracy had, through Norman Muller (through him!) exercised once again its free, untrammeled franchise.

Besides, it's obvious that the process is not transparent, denies its citizens their free will by treating them as statistically predictable objects, and requires an amount of personal data that can only be provided by a surveillance state.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

m463 wrote: post #308
ezekg wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

The issue is once you buy a monitor for your work, they're then getting to rent it for free. If you need something to do your job better than they need to pay for it. You hurt yourself (financially) and you are contributing to a workplace culture where employees buy what they need. It's not just a monitor you're paying for!

To be clear, I am not judging you. You did what was good for you and took the path of least resistance, as we all do many times a day. I am just trying to answer your question of "who cares?" We should all care a lot about this!

I'm an in-house producer at a tech company. I own a lot of film and audio equipment. I made it very clear in my initial negotiation that my gear was to be used solely at my discretion that and within 12mo we will fully transition off of it. I also used it to negotiate a slightly higher salary. It would've been easier to just give it away, but then why would they ever stop? I could've easily slipped into a position where they just use all my film equipment rent free and then I am on the hook to replace it as it breaks at a faster rate. That's not right without proper compensation.

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Post by sangnoir »

ezekg wrote: post #205
extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

Is it surprisingly? Value is not determined by frequency of use, but by the qualitative difference: if gp doesn't use it at all, would anything of value be lost?

He's a thought experiment: imagine a device that changes the scent of the air I breathe to something I find pleasant. I could use this device all day everyday for free (or on the cheap), but I will not pay $20/mo for it. Losing access to the features really isn't worth that much. On the flip side, many people pay thousands of dollars to rent machines that helps them breathe, even if that adds up to total of less than an hour of their lives - which is nor much.

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Post by pydry »

jeremyjh wrote: post #167
webstrand wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$20 puts it way out of my price range. It's useful, but when I've been averaging around twenty queries a day and somewhat frequently get back hallucinated responses, it's not worth that price. I wish there was a pay-as-you-go or a lower tier offering.

So you are doing something like 400 queries a month and the aggregate value of all those responses is less than $20 to you? I've got to ask, why bother querying it at all?

Curiosity?

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Post by nashashmi »

loteck wrote: post #338

Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?

Because it has yet to be discovered by more people. For me, I am happy to know that there are inaccuracies. That helps me better figure out its limitations.

Right now I am afraid to use it because I think it has a god complex and I’d rather not get carried away thinking it’s god. I want to know exactly what it CAN do. And not assume that it can do everything.

It’s like hiring new employees. I’d rather know what they can do than assume they can do everything.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by heleninboodler »

smoldesu wrote: post #331
m463 wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

> why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Objectively, a few reasons: - You can't afford it. - Paying for it doesn't let you "own" anything - It's not reliable - It's legal compatibility is not fully decided yet - It can preclude opportunities for learning and even teach you entirely false things under the guise they are true The list probably goes on, but I don't think we shou…

> If we applied that logic to everything in our lives, we'd all use computers from Skymall and eat food we see on QVC

Pretty sure GP didn't say "completely give in to all impulse purchases and cease to use your brain about the worth of things."

I agree with GP. I bought my own monitor. It's great. It significantly improves my workday, and I get to take it with me if I quit. It generally gets two reactions: first, "how did you manage to get a better monitor than everyone else" and second, "why would you spend your money to help the company?" Not sure how something that contributes directly to my comfort while performing my job is helping the company more than it's helping me, but whatever. Seems very much like cutting off your nose to spite your face to just stick with the standard monitor to avoid "giving" the company something. Same as the folks who spend time every month filing expense reports and having corporate mobile device management profiles on their phones so they can get reimbursed $20/month for their mobile data.

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loteck wrote: post #338

Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?

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