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Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by emn13 »

rossmohax wrote: post #74
lhoff wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meanwhile youtube channels like LTT are printing money on low quality low effort content. I find this statement rather snarky and it is imho quite close to being against the HN Guidelines. Anyway I also think it is wrong. Sure not all videos from LTT are high-quality well researched and contain thorough testing but when they are really reviewing a product they put a lot of effort into it. They are even in the proce…

Despite all the effort, benchrmak results are still not consistent. The other day I wanted to check how Ryzen 7600 compares to i13600k in code compilation. Ratio in time between these 2 processors reported by different authors were wildly different: LTT: 129% GN: 160% Techpowerup: 105% With results fluctuating up to 2 generational differences it is hard to make sense, despite all the authors effort. This leaves that…

Presumably "compilation" is such a broad basket of activities that they each use a different workload. Have you looked at phoronix? They tend to cover that niche a little better, and will potentially have numerous compilation benchmarks.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by lmz »

chx wrote: post #14

Very interesting. The pioneering cooler in this space was the Scythe Ninja which has been shipping with fans for a while now so I am not sure how well it fares in passive mode. Deepcool has the GAMMAXX S40 and the REDHAT both of which mentions passive cooling but it ships with fans. NoFan IMO is gone, Prolimatech doesn't even have AM4 much less AM5 brackets for the Megahalem... Is the space deserted save for this NH-…

Thermalright still seems to sell the HR-02 http://thermalright.com/product/hr-02-plus/ / "Macho" family which still says "fanless" somewhere in their description but it's unclear how much power they can handle when fanless.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

neilv wrote: post #10

This cooler itself doesn't have a fan, but it looks like the test system has at least 4 large case fans, including 2 directly inline with the cooler. And sounds from the text like the fans were spinning. I love Noctua, but a totally fanless system would be a more interesting test.

In order for this to work the case has to be designed for this type of cooler or there has to be airflow in the case.

With the right case (Fractal Define) and 3 case fans dialed down it's possible to make the system basically silent. Then replace HDDs with SSDs and a passively cooled gpu.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by turtleyacht »

anthonyryan1 wrote: post #52

I feel compelled to mention that this space has existed as a niche community for many years now. I've personally been using a NoFan CR-80EH in my workstations for over 10 years. I think it's subjectively the most beautiful heatsink I've ever seen. You do need to plan your build to accomodate such a cooler though. - Open Air case to allow free movement of air in and out of your case - 65W TDP CPU While a lot of people…

> plan your build

Some more tips from a recent install of a Noctua NH-P1:

  * If AMD, make sure you have the
    backplate or contact Noctua support for
    assistance
  * The backplate will slide under the
    space between the case and motherboard,
    with just a slight bit of anguished
    bending
  * Had to move the top-mounted power
    supply (PSU) out of the way completely.
  * 2mm is about the size of a crayon tip,
    when applying the thermal paste
  * Had to move a (Scythe) fan out too, but
    the provided clips let me put it on top
The stock CPU cooler on the old AM3 was a source of coil whine, but not anymore :)

A Thinkpad T30 idling nearby also helps mask further sounds.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by cfn »

anthonyryan1 wrote: post #52

I feel compelled to mention that this space has existed as a niche community for many years now. I've personally been using a NoFan CR-80EH in my workstations for over 10 years. I think it's subjectively the most beautiful heatsink I've ever seen. You do need to plan your build to accomodate such a cooler though. - Open Air case to allow free movement of air in and out of your case - 65W TDP CPU While a lot of people…

This is a simple me too. I have had a Xeon (65W TDP) cooled with NoFan 24/7 for some 5 years. It began as my main developer machine and is now a proxmox server. It just works.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

emn13 wrote: post #81
rossmohax wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite all the effort, benchrmak results are still not consistent. The other day I wanted to check how Ryzen 7600 compares to i13600k in code compilation. Ratio in time between these 2 processors reported by different authors were wildly different: LTT: 129% GN: 160% Techpowerup: 105% With results fluctuating up to 2 generational differences it is hard to make sense, despite all the authors effort. This leaves that…

Presumably "compilation" is such a broad basket of activities that they each use a different workload. Have you looked at phoronix? They tend to cover that niche a little better, and will potentially have numerous compilation benchmarks.

I find it ironical that Phoronix used to be considered a rather bad reviewer like a decade ago (just Google around!), while nowadays it is probably one of the best. I mean, Phoronix has definitely improved, but not that much.

e.g. they used to be considered clickbaity, but for today's standards you might as well call them "mild".

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by onli »

layer8 wrote: post #77
onli wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AIOs can be very quiet. Mine is (Corsair H90), but only when the pump is not running full speed (then it is quiet, but not very quiet).

There can be an arbitrarily large difference between “very quiet” and “silent”, or more precisely, between “still perceptible” and “not perceptible”. This depends on the environment (whether it’s so silent that you could hear a pin drop) and also on the individual hearing threshold and accommodation. AIOs are generally more perceptible than a silent build using fans.

Hm. Sure, silent and "very quiet" can be a different thing and you are right ofc about the subjectivity of perception. However:

> AIOs are generally more perceptible than a silent build using fans.

I'm honestly not so sure about that, but I thought the same before. But then I saw the charts of how well the AIOs can cool, which means the fans and pumps can be ramped down a lot. I know some models are loud, but know also from experience that not all are. Okay, an air cooler that cools mostly passive can't be beaten, but will also need air flow as soon as the TDP is higher - and on low TDPs an AIO can again be ramped down a lot.

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