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Post by vgt »

spacephysics wrote: post #177
autoexec wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless you believe that all those censored, shadow-banned and deplatformed people are just the conspiracy nuts with lies and fake data? It'd be impossible to make that claim. I couldn't possibly be aware of all of the people who have been censored/shadow-banned/deplatformed for talking about the risks of vaccinations, but I do suspect that the vast majority of them likely were (intentionally or otherwise) spreading…

If you look at the twitter files released by Matt Taibi it indeed confirms there is collusion among former twitter and numerous government entities. It’s no conspiracy, there’s straight emails of the government asking for XYZ list of accounts to be suppressed. https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/14/editorial-t... You further had the suppression of the Hunter biden laptop in DMs and tweets, because governmen…

Still waiting for Giuliani to release that hunter Biden laptop evidence he's been claiming in his possession

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Post by bassrattle »

vgt wrote: post #231
landemva wrote: post #208

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> The possible risks of these vaccines are not being ignored Several years after initial outbreak, I wonder if continuation of the emergency use authorization can be justified, or if it continues because it allows the medical establishment to not be liable for realized risks. Possible risks don't matter to manufacturers, because nobody is liable for injury.

What do you mean by "continuation of emergency use authentication??". They're all fully approved by the FDA by now [0]: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

As I understand, Pfizer got Comirnaty approved, but virtually no one has been administered Comirnaty still.

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Post by lamontcg »

mancerayder wrote: post #216
lamontcg wrote: post #93

COVID-19 is also a thrombotic disorder. This has been known since the relatively early days of the pandemic. Have any of you been paying any attention at all?

The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?

Yes. Genetics, HLA subtypes, prior immune exposure, original antigenic sin, etc.

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Post by lamontcg »

Timon3 wrote: post #230
mancerayder wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?

Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?

Yep, a frighteningly large chunk of the population thinks that their experiences generalizes to literally the entire rest of the population. You see this on both sides of the coin as well -- "I only caught a cold what are you all worried about" and "I got long COVID so everyone else will".

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Post by soundnote »

autoexec wrote: post #182
spacephysics wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the twitter files released by Matt Taibi it indeed confirms there is collusion among former twitter and numerous government entities. It’s no conspiracy, there’s straight emails of the government asking for XYZ list of accounts to be suppressed. https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/14/editorial-t... You further had the suppression of the Hunter biden laptop in DMs and tweets, because governmen…

The fact that governments do actually engage in censorship doesn't mean that everyone who posts about the real or possible risks of the covid vaccines get their posts censored or that people whose posts about the risks of covid vaccines were removed, were removed because of goverment censorship. Even in the case of twitter. Here: https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1536697529454272512 There's a tweet about the risks o…

> There's a tweet about the risks of covid vaccinations. If the government, twitter, or both were censoring discussion of the risks of covid vaccinations how does that exist? How do the countless other uncensored and easily searchable posts that do the same thing exist?

Censorship doesn't have to be perfect to be real and to have real effects.

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Post by landemva »

vgt wrote: post #231
landemva wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The possible risks of these vaccines are not being ignored Several years after initial outbreak, I wonder if continuation of the emergency use authorization can be justified, or if it continues because it allows the medical establishment to not be liable for realized risks. Possible risks don't matter to manufacturers, because nobody is liable for injury.

What do you mean by "continuation of emergency use authentication??". They're all fully approved by the FDA by now [0]: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

FDA continues to re-issue EUA, first issued under Trump, which shields liability and allows use without long-term studies of effectiveness.

Scroll down this URL and read some of the EUAs. https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-...

"On October 19, 2022, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the September 12, 2022 letter of authorization in its entirety to authorize the use of Novavax COVID‑19 Vaccine"

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Post by landemva »

Timon3 wrote: post #226
landemva wrote: post #222

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> there is a definitive difference in likelihood of injury/death between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated I have looked at a lot of data for children and haven't seen that. It seems children's deaths are mostly unaffected from the virus. What studies have you read which show excess deaths in children?

I'm sorry, but just how did you suddenly jump to children? Who is talking about children, or what gave you the idea that I was talking about children?

> there is a definitive difference in likelihood of injury/death

Which age groups do you want to discuss?

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Post by neuronic »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #154
neuronic wrote: post #141

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Stop spreading these right wing anti-vaxxer lies, my god. "Death in a vial". Dont you feel ashamed and ridiculous posting this insane over-the-top inflammatory rhetoric? People are already discussing the science and long term effects and few people just take the vaccines at face value. And to add to your harmful, conscious spread of disinformation, you thinly veil it in "I am vaccinated myself, but..."

Way to miss the point. Absolutely hysterical.

You very clearly wrote what you wrote. It was inflammatory language and you are well aware. Nothing hysterical about it.

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Post by mancerayder »

Timon3 wrote: post #230
mancerayder wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?

Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?

Did you read the rest of the context here? To avoid implying anything let's recap:

Heart attacks are on the rise, is the topic.

Some are saying it's due to covid-19, as implied by parent.

Some are saying things like, "What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically." (comment here) And suggesting other causes (vax, etc).

I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. It's not about discussing anecdotes / the strawman argument. I'm pointing out that clearly something else is at play here. Look, you have a very unhealthy population relative to recent history, given the high percentage of overweight/obese/sedentary people; you have stupid shutdowns of recreation[1]; you tell people the air outside is poisonous and the moral thing is to stay inside on the couch. Now it's end of 2020, early 2021 Suddenly everyone's a baker, consuming large amounts of alcohol, not exercising and many are gaining weight. We're doing the moral thing, but we're not doing what we were born to do, which is move our bodies, the singular best prevention for cardiovascular issues.

That this constellation of things that happened prior to and during the pandemic would make some more susceptible to vascular disease is worth exploring as a multifactorial set of causes.

1 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beac... At one point we even shut down beaches, because we thought the virus was flying around in the wind and sea air out of people's mouths. I still see people walking around alone on the streets wearing masks, today in 2023, like some sort of medieval superstition (reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory).

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