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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by mrtesthah »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #95
ibejoeb wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the control for this, though? We're talking about a conjecture that there is a non-specific, undetectable condition affecting millions of people to the point that they are unable to work. Who pays for UBI if anyone can claim it?

I am constantly coughing up several fluid ounces of clear phlegm daily. I have to clear my throat with disgusting noises for at least a couple hours per day, ideally for at least 5 minutes once per hour, just to feel like I'm not drowning. I could take a picture of the puddles of phlegm daily to prove it. I've already seen a few doctors and none of them can tell exactly what it is, nor have any suggested treatments h…

That sounds terrible. Have you considered cystic fibrosis medication? Or at least something like the Lung Flute?

https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-lung-flute-product-review...

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by raptor556 »

francisofascii wrote: post #106
raptor556 wrote: post #8

I've recently realized that I've been unusually tired, daily, and lack the usually high ambition and drive I had prior to January 2020, which is when I caught COVID. I never got the vaccine and I'm curious if my symptoms are related to COVID, or related to being a few years older, or changes to exercise schedules, or a general change in life outlook after the past few years, or even mild depression or something. It m…

I had had immune system issues since January 2020, where it take forever to feel better. So before the vaccines, which I did get. I am suffering now, as I write this. It comes and goes. I will go months when I am fine but then get sick and take weeks to get better. No mental issues. Not obese, run everyday, etc. If I overdo it with a long run then sometimes it will trigger it. Once its triggered, it takes a week or t…

To be clear, are you saying this is something you think was caused by the vaccine, or something you had before the vaccines? If the latter, what are you suggesting occurred in Jan 2020?

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by nostromo »

scotty79 wrote: post #123
fasthands9 wrote: post #50

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I'm pretty open to UBI but dont really see how that would be the case here. Let's say someone (who also has an illness like diabetes) has two children and isnt able to work for five years because of long covid. Will the UBI payments be high enough to support them and their children? Or would higher payments be needed to support for them? Would they get a different UBI as a single dude in his 40s? If so that's fine -…

If children also get UBI then most likely yes. Same UBI for everyone to keep things cheap and simple.

Need more cash, have more babies!

What could go wrong?

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by ibejoeb »

scotty79 wrote: post #119
ibejoeb wrote: post #108

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That was just a poor sentence. By "claim it" I'm referring to opting not to work and citing long covid. I'm asking if after having given everyone an escape hatch, what is going to fund UBI?

Progressive property tax. The more property you own, the higher percentage of its value you pay every year as a tax.

(Well, HN has put the brakes on a totally civil engagement, so I need to reply here instead of where it belongs.)

OK, I see where you're going with that. The part I object to is really just an implementation detail. It's not cheaper to give him money and pay him back because 1) that's work that someone has to do, and more importantly 2) the reason you need to know if he should not be getting it is because you need to know how much to tax him in the first place, and it's the same job.

That said, I don't like the implication for the aged who no longer work. I'd prefer to keep people in their homes than to tax them out of them.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by efsavage »

nostromo wrote: post #35
yboris wrote: post #14

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It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

When people can't work you get product shortages, and then inflation, but UBI isn't about paying people not to work, it's about people electing to work for more money beyond the "basic".

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by moistly »

scotty79 wrote: post #112
nostromo wrote: post #35

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Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

It just tought us that introducing UBI needs to go hand in hand with measures to prevent capturing of this money by landlords. Personally I'd like to see progressive real estate tax introduced. The more property you own, the higher percentage of its value you need to pay each year as a tax.

Money generates money exponentially. Taxes that do not also rise in step, are taxes that enable a widening gulf between the have and have-nots.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by yucky »

neon_electro wrote: post #102
fasthands9 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty open to UBI but dont really see how that would be the case here. Let's say someone (who also has an illness like diabetes) has two children and isnt able to work for five years because of long covid. Will the UBI payments be high enough to support them and their children? Or would higher payments be needed to support for them? Would they get a different UBI as a single dude in his 40s? If so that's fine -…

UBI plus Medicare for All (not just Medicare for elders) is the way. "Welfare" beyond that can and should be discussed and considered - I'm not advocating for taking away any of the welfare state as a trade for implementing UBI, personally. Everyone receives it, everyone pays taxes accordingly, those with enough tax liability end up netting $0 or less in UBI for the period.

  > I'm not advocating for taking away any of the welfare state as a trade for implementing UBI, personally.
Interesting, since that is always it's main selling point. It's supposed to simplify the benefits programs since everyone just gets a check. Obviously that's naive, but it's the common refrain when discussing cost.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by hnuser123456 »

mrtesthah wrote: post #141
hnuser123456 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am constantly coughing up several fluid ounces of clear phlegm daily. I have to clear my throat with disgusting noises for at least a couple hours per day, ideally for at least 5 minutes once per hour, just to feel like I'm not drowning. I could take a picture of the puddles of phlegm daily to prove it. I've already seen a few doctors and none of them can tell exactly what it is, nor have any suggested treatments h…

That sounds terrible. Have you considered cystic fibrosis medication? Or at least something like the Lung Flute? https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-lung-flute-product-review...

That is interesting. I have used something somewhat similar, it's a device that looks similar to an inhaler but has an ~18mm ball bearing in it, which vibrates in a chamber at ~10hz when exhaled through, which feels close to the resonant frequency of the lungs. This did seem to help clear out some buildup, especially at the end of an exhale, straining to blow every last bit of air out of the lungs, probably a squished-sponge effect forcing it up into the airways where it can be expelled. It is not as clear if the fluid is coming from the lungs themselves (one doctor said this is possible), from somewhere in the throat, or from the sinuses and running down.

I will ask for tests for CF at the next appointment and ask if they are aware of the lung flute and would prescribe it, thanks for the suggestion. Searching amazon for "lung flute" turns up some types of devices I haven't seen before.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

raptor556 wrote: post #140
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #26

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You'd probably be better off talking to your doctor and having some bloodwork done. It could be as simple as some kind of deficiency. Throwing a random vaccine at it for something that vaccines aren't meant to do is probably ill advised.

I've done this, labs seems normal, though I don't think we tested for vitamin deficiencies.

Being deficient in vitamin d is especially common in winter months and can cause symptoms like yours. There are probably others worth checking as well. Good luck.
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