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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by dEnigma »

factsarelolz wrote: post #107
dEnigma wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the risks of lying in a hospital, strapped to a ventilator were a lot higher with Covid than with getting the shot. To be honest I would recommend the shot even if just to prevent potential month-long loss of smell, as I experienced it (I think that symptom is less prevalent with recent variants though, but I could be mistaken)

> I think the risks of lying in a hospital, strapped to a ventilator Being managed by medical professionals with no experience or training on said ventilator or enough personnel to accurate monitor the ventilators or even put the right people who actually need a ventilator and not just everyone that walked in the door.

Yes, hospitals were woefully unprepared in many cases, and there certainly were errors in proper care. That doesn't mean though that all or even most uses of ventilators were wrong.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by scotty79 »

qclibre22 wrote: post #31
yboris wrote: post #14

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It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Everybody wants a government handout. Nobody wants to pay the taxes to fund it.

Licence to create money needed for loans that government awards banks is the ultimate handout.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by scotty79 »

fasthands9 wrote: post #50
yboris wrote: post #14

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It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

I'm pretty open to UBI but dont really see how that would be the case here. Let's say someone (who also has an illness like diabetes) has two children and isnt able to work for five years because of long covid. Will the UBI payments be high enough to support them and their children? Or would higher payments be needed to support for them? Would they get a different UBI as a single dude in his 40s? If so that's fine -…

If children also get UBI then most likely yes. Same UBI for everyone to keep things cheap and simple.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by dEnigma »

doubled112 wrote: post #109
dEnigma wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the risks of lying in a hospital, strapped to a ventilator were a lot higher with Covid than with getting the shot. To be honest I would recommend the shot even if just to prevent potential month-long loss of smell, as I experienced it (I think that symptom is less prevalent with recent variants though, but I could be mistaken)

Even with the shots I had 2 weeks where I could not smell. Definitely one of the strangest things I've had happen to me.

To be honest I'm actually not sure what the numbers are when it comes to preventing that particular symptom. It was just the most annoying one to me personally. In case the vaccines don't prevent it in any meaningful way after all I simply recommend them to prevent, unlikely but possible, severe cases and death.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by scotty79 »

throw_away_pri wrote: post #20

Personal anecdote: I'm going through some mental issues as a result of my divorce and I have trouble staying motivated at work. It's incredibly tempting to claim that I'm suffering from long COVID as an excuse instead of a mental health issue. I wonder how many people are just using it as a convenient excuse?

Are you sure you are not suffering from long covid? Neurological damage can drastically lower mental resilience. Get checked.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by d23 »

aeschinder wrote: post #83
nostromo wrote: post #35

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Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

Just so I understand...two stimmy checks are to blame for inflation and product shortages? I know this is a popular talking point, but there needs to be some facts to back this up. Supply chains were wrecked by shipping container shortages due to bottlenecking at ports as well as factory shutdowns. There are proven instances where businesses increased prices just because they could.

Another thing I don’t understand is why the 10T we printed isn’t included in the discussion.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by runemadsen »

laxd wrote: post #115
runemadsen wrote: post #99

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Nowhere did I say mental disorders are better or less harmful than physical disorders, and nowhere did I say that the experience is not the same from a patient's point of view. However, there's a great difference in how the medical profession treats people with physical and mental disorders, and these patients are being told repeatedly by the entire world that they are feeling what they are feeling because of anxiety…

Ok I misinterpreted you then. It ticked me off when you seemed ask people to not mistake "real" physical stuff from mere mental stuff. Sorry.

No worries, I get it. That's another big problem!

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by ibejoeb »

scotty79 wrote: post #119
ibejoeb wrote: post #108

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That was just a poor sentence. By "claim it" I'm referring to opting not to work and citing long covid. I'm asking if after having given everyone an escape hatch, what is going to fund UBI?

Progressive property tax. The more property you own, the higher percentage of its value you pay every year as a tax.

So you want to give a large property owner UBI, but then you want to tax him more than the UBI?

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Post by BizarreByte »

whatshisface wrote: post #38
minsight wrote: post #22

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Long Covid has a collection of effects on the body which can be observed using commonly-ordered tests. A dramatically reduced serum cortisol is one.

Not a lot of people know this, but depression also has a collection of effects on the body. https://lorienpsych.com/2021/06/05/depression/

Depression and anxiety can have very significant effects too, way beyond what people would assume. I spent years thinking I had a serious health disorder, but in the end? Just anxiety causing all the symptoms.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by mrtesthah »

throwntoday wrote: post #111
dEnigma wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the risks of lying in a hospital, strapped to a ventilator were a lot higher with Covid than with getting the shot. To be honest I would recommend the shot even if just to prevent potential month-long loss of smell, as I experienced it (I think that symptom is less prevalent with recent variants though, but I could be mistaken)

I think the use of ventillators was deemed overzealous and reactionary before we even had a vaccine rollout. Covid gave me a fever for two days. The vaccine gave me a fever for two days. I don't see how either was better/worse than the other in my case.

Do you think that your personal experience of covid automatically means that everyone else's was, is, and will be, exactly the same? Or can you accept that there is a bell curve distribution of possible physiological responses to a covid infection?

Perhaps society should consider homelessness a solved problem because you personally have a home?

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