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Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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The article correctly identifies that lack of intimacy and relationships are serious problems, with sexual loneliness being a related comorbidity (if you will). The comments, so far, predictably drift toward "how do we get everyone laid?" Giving everyone access to sex will not solve sexual loneliness. And, solving (a lot of) sexual loneliness can be achieved without giving everyone access to sex. Anecdotally, I spent…

Weird flex bro, people who can't get sex usually have neither sex nor intimacy

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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The need itself is the problem, and it's really surprising noone looks at it this way. A drug that 'd make me completely asexual (with no orientation) is the real solution for me, as currently there's none available.

>A drug that'd make me completely asexual (with no orientation) is the real solution for me, as currently there's none available Escitalopram or most other SSRIs will do the trick.

They of course help, but it's not the same as the complete lack of orientation.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> I'm ok looking and I feel like I can make women like me. So, I promise I'm not just picking on the phrasing (though yeah, the phrasing is pretty bad). I find it amazing that you went through that whole discussion about the perspective of your seemingly-hetero-male-only social environment without once recognizing that intimacy is a two-way transaction and that the other party needs to get something in return. Everyo…

Your right about the two-sided thing. The key to successful dating is understanding the woman's perspective. Most men think women should act like them and want to have meaningless sex right away. No, that's not how it works. For most women who are going to have more than a one night stand, sex is a big deal and an enormous emotional investment. I could go on, but this is HN not a dating advice subreddit.

FWIW: the point works fine without generalisms about sex or whatever. My point was really that 90% of incel culture is just pure self-centered lack of empathy. If you aren't interested in the lived experience of your "target" and are focused only on what you want "from" them, you're not going to be successful.

And to repeat: that same logic is identical to sales, which is another area most incels are extremely bad at.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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The article correctly identifies that lack of intimacy and relationships are serious problems, with sexual loneliness being a related comorbidity (if you will). The comments, so far, predictably drift toward "how do we get everyone laid?" Giving everyone access to sex will not solve sexual loneliness. And, solving (a lot of) sexual loneliness can be achieved without giving everyone access to sex. Anecdotally, I spent…

While I agree that nonmonogamy doesn't solve the problem of heterosexual members of gender A having almost sex almost exclusively with a small group drawn from gender B, I think it can be helpful in ameliorating a different aspect of the problem of loneliness, and in particular sexual loneliness.

If you're in a monogamous relationship with someone with a permanent major sexual incompatibility with you, your options are to stay together (likely creating sexual loneliness for yourself and possibly both of you) or to break up and try to find a different partner (creating sexual loneliness for your ex-partner which may, depending on circumstances, last a long time). Non-monogamous relationships are a lot more flexible with this kind of thing: you can have sex with a different partner without blowing up the relationship that contains the sexual incompatibility.

By "major sexual incompatibilities" I mean to include things like impotence, vaginismus, vulvodynia, fetishes that are a turnoff to the other partner, same-gender couples where one partner is nearly heterosexual, opposite-gender couples where one partner is nearly homosexual, extreme mismatches in preferences of frequency of intercourse, serious illnesses interfering with sex, and some constellations of asexuality.

Of course some people have vulvodynia, or frustrated fetishes, or whatever, and both they and their monogamous partner have a satisfying sex life anyway. But, as you can easily imagine, these situations often do lead to big problems with sex, and I think monogamy tends to amplify that into big problems with intimacy and relationships. (But if you're in a monogamous relationship that's struggling with this, and you try to solve a problem like this by going non-monogamous, you're probably going to have an extremely hard time with it.)

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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To be fair this is not entirely due to social dynamics but rather due to MatchGroup companies following identical monetization patterns. They’re just capitalizing on male desperation and artificially widening or narrowing the gap depending on how much you pay. If you observe the actual dating climate it’s nowhere near this bad and in larger cities like NYC it can even be closer to 1:1. Rather than a social problem th…

Singling out dating apps, or worse a single company thinking their monopoly created the problem, is missing the forest for the trees. The social dynamic exists independent of dating apps which monetize and exploit it. The dynamic is the same in real life, for example at a nightclub where women drink for free, promoters who bring them get paid per girl, and lonely men pay $40 cover for a chance to shoot their shot

The equivalent to this is that the more focus the app your own has on "hookup", or "sex", the worse the ratios get.

Tinder would be more comparable to a swinger club in this regard. Swinger clubs will charge single dudes well over 100$ for that same chance, and those guys will have to try to get lucky with predominantly older couples. Usually these dudes will find that their success levels go up if they are bisexual too. (The reasons for that are left as an exercise for the reader)

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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I'm single and male, and personally I don't feel a "need" for sex. I do wish other less intrusive forms of intimacy e.g. hugs could be more legitimized between single people, though. Sometimes I see pictures of cats cuddling and just wonder why humans are so bad at engaging in simple, consensual comforts like that.

Most animals are in heat just a small part of the time, humans are in heat all the time. Animals in heat behave a lot more like humans do regarding these things. Humans still have the genes to populate the earth, we haven't adapted to having a stable population yet where we don't optimize for maximum kids.

Humans are in heat approximately a quarter of the time max, far from "all".

Though a fair bit closer than dogs, who are in heat around a twenty fifth of the time.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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post #210

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I'm single and male, and personally I don't feel a "need" for sex. I do wish other less intrusive forms of intimacy e.g. hugs could be more legitimized between single people, though. Sometimes I see pictures of cats cuddling and just wonder why humans are so bad at engaging in simple, consensual comforts like that.

Kids are good at it. Adults less so, because of… well, sex.

Its also quite cultural. Its normal for men to hold hands when walking in India, Nepal for example. At first it looked ridiculous to me...having grown up since then I think its Western civilization that's a bit ridiculous in that aspect.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them When it comes to dating apps, everyone I know falls into one of two categories: The first group invests time into generating a good profile. They put the effort into getting get photos of themselves and presenting the photos properly. They write a good bio, avoiding the tired tropes ("love f…

Unfortunately this response is divorced from reality. I have observed many 20-something women swiping through Tinder and the #1 cause for a man’s profile to be rejected is his attractiveness simply being average or below average. Have you ever tried online dating on platforms such as Tinder?

Men do the same thing. That’s literally why the swipe style of dating apps was created; to quickly judge if you are interested or not mainly in appearance. That’s why the OPs first point was about good photos and presentation.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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post #210

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I'm single and male, and personally I don't feel a "need" for sex. I do wish other less intrusive forms of intimacy e.g. hugs could be more legitimized between single people, though. Sometimes I see pictures of cats cuddling and just wonder why humans are so bad at engaging in simple, consensual comforts like that.

There are professional cuddlers that you can hire for, non-sexual, cuddles.

Also, cuddle parties!

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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At minimum I think most people (the bottom ~90% dating-success-wise, both men and women) in our society would be better off with arranged marriages compared to our current cultural hellscape. The problem is no one thinks they're in the bottom 90% of anything.

Yeah, mindset is a huge component to this. I think the media has exasperated the problem through idealized fantasy which does not match reality. I think people tend to have high expectations of a match, but don't hold themselves to the same standards. As an example, I've had fat/obese friends say they wouldn't date a fat girl... Or friends that expect the man to pay for everything like it's 1950 and make grand gestur…

Just like porn ruins actual sex for so many young men, romantic movies of all types ruin relationships for so many young women. Smut novels sell millions of copies a year to women of all ages so even if women intellectually know its 'not real' it becomes their default internal vocabulary.

Re: paying for everything. A lot of women want to step outside of their own traditional gender role but have a man firmly inside his.

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