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Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by googlryas »

gigatexal wrote: post #42
legutierr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Mastodon is that your network ID is tied to the domain of the server you are connecting to. If you get kicked off of that server you can move to another one, but you effectively have to create a new account. You loose all your followers, etc. Nostr fixes those problems. You can never lose your ID because it’s derived from your public key. You can be blocked from a relay, but it doesn’t matter because y…

Run your own server of mastodon. Boom done Edit: Then this Nostr will gain the same rep as Polerma as a haven for right wing wierdos for better or worse. Or maybe it will take off and who knows.

Only in the same sense that the web is associated with right wing weirdos.

There is no algorithm or feed pushing content on you , so those people are by default completely invisible to you.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by wkat4242 »

leishman wrote: post #77
nine_k wrote: post #9

The biggest problem I see here is forwarding someone else's unknown and unencrypted content. Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Unlike an email client, your relay actually makes that message available to anyone. Unlike an email relay, you are not forwarding the message to someone else like a dumb pipe; there's no fin…

I think this is a very overblown concern that will not be a big issue in practice… at least not for a number of years.

Famous last words...

I wouldn't want to run the risk of being the first one it does happen to.

I think something like ipfs offers better resistance to such attacks for node owners. I wonder how the two compare because I don't know either in detail.

But sharing unencrypted content from others could be an issue for many reasons. Copyright too.

Especially because this protocol is aimed at content blocked or censored from other platforms, as others have pointed out.

Sure, you can block others from using your relay but then what's the point? Just host your stuff on your self hosted web blog.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by digdugdirk »

FreeTrade wrote: post #20

I'm working on software (member.cash) that bridges multiple decentralized social networks together and recently added support for Nostr. Compared to the others, Nostr is optimized for innovation - it is easy to build new features on top and we'll see a lot of growth and evolution because of that. I really like that about it. The problems I see with it right now are 1. Timestamps are easily forgeable 2. Difficult to c…

Knowing nothing about this space, can you explain a bit more how/why Nostr is easy to build upon where others aren't?

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by notpushkin »

sph wrote: post #36
nine_k wrote: post #9

The biggest problem I see here is forwarding someone else's unknown and unencrypted content. Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Unlike an email client, your relay actually makes that message available to anyone. Unlike an email relay, you are not forwarding the message to someone else like a dumb pipe; there's no fin…

> Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Relays can be authenticated. If you don't want your relay to accept data from anyone, don't leave it open. Same with any other Internet protocol. Also, per the spec or convention, relays SHALL NOT talk to each other. Each relay is a separate island, but the protocol permits and re…

> relays SHALL NOT talk to each other

I don't get it. What's the point then?

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by rchaud »

larrysalibra wrote: post #25
gigatexal wrote: post #22

I don't understand Nostr's comments on trying to be deplatform-proof. On Mastodon, for example, if you get kicked off a node just spin up your own node. If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. So I don't get what Nostr is trying to do.

If you get kicked off a mastodon server, you lose your followers and posts unless you're able to move your account before you're kicked off - which requires the cooperation of the server that wants to kick you off. > If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. People who are de-platfo…

> People who are de-platformed are almost always people who others WANT to hear.

I think if that were true a certain social network would have at least 70m more American users.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by wkat4242 »

drexlspivey wrote: post #50
nine_k wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> signed by you Signed by a private key which has no connection to my legal identity, and which can be generated in a split second. Signatures give strong pseudonymity. > Relays don’t have to store any message on disk This is a good idea, as long as messages are relatively few, which may be hundreds of thousands if they are short. There's no promise of availability, so an infrequent reboot is free to erase them. > Th…

> No, only a server that allows users to upload UGC without requiring enough background information to let the law enforcement find out their real identities if need be. Should be an adequate explanation to the judge in a civilized country where governmental censorship is not a thing. So just to be super clear, you don’t upload images on a relay, nostr messages are just signed json blobs i.e text. If you want to post…

What about base64 encoded images? Nntp doesn't support binaries but it's sure distributing a hell of a lot of them these days.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by rchaud »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #76
larrysalibra wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get kicked off a mastodon server, you lose your followers and posts unless you're able to move your account before you're kicked off - which requires the cooperation of the server that wants to kick you off. > If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. People who are de-platfo…

> It wasn't that "no one" wanted to hear them, but that the people that controlled the platform didn't want others to be able to hear them. This is an important point. Free speech is really as much about the rights of the listener as the rights of the speaker, if not more so. I think this is a good way of framing the censorship debate, because while it may be easy for some to dismiss the rights of a few dozen famous…

If the rights of the listener have been infringed, why wouldn't the listener simply go to where they can continue listening? Nobody's holding a gun to their head.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by biosboiii »

leishman wrote: post #77
nine_k wrote: post #9

The biggest problem I see here is forwarding someone else's unknown and unencrypted content. Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Unlike an email client, your relay actually makes that message available to anyone. Unlike an email relay, you are not forwarding the message to someone else like a dumb pipe; there's no fin…

I think this is a very overblown concern that will not be a big issue in practice… at least not for a number of years.

Mastodon already has "censorship" options, and still people use it big time to distribute CP. https://www.secjuice.com/mastodon-child-porn-pedophiles/

If I were to run such a node in Germany, and someone would use it to distribute CP with it, I face from 1 to 10 years in prison.

Yeah, no thanks.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by rchaud »

googlryas wrote: post #71
gigatexal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Run. Your. Own. Mastodon host. Problem solved. Linnode has one click rollouts.

How about when whoever you provisioned your tld or up in your mastodon I'd decides you've been a bad boy and can't have them any more?

Start over? Nothing lasts forever. No one said the life of a free speech warrior would be an easy one.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by googlryas »

rchaud wrote: post #89
googlryas wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about when whoever you provisioned your tld or up in your mastodon I'd decides you've been a bad boy and can't have them any more?

Start over? Nothing lasts forever. No one said the life of a free speech warrior would be an easy one.

That philosophy could be used to justify any problem with anything. Just use Twitter then.

The point is you don't have that issue with nostr

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