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Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by gigatexal »

sph wrote: post #38
gigatexal wrote: post #22

I don't understand Nostr's comments on trying to be deplatform-proof. On Mastodon, for example, if you get kicked off a node just spin up your own node. If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. So I don't get what Nostr is trying to do.

You have one Mastodon server you can post to (for that account). You can post on as many NOSTR relays as you want. Get banned on one, you are still publishing on the others. You can also, along with your messages, suggest to "subscribers" your preferred relays, so people that really want to follow you as you get banned all over the net always know the best place to reach you. This process of course would be automated…

Run. Your. Own. Mastodon host. Problem solved. Linnode has one click rollouts.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#42

Post by gigatexal »

legutierr wrote: post #31
gigatexal wrote: post #22

I don't understand Nostr's comments on trying to be deplatform-proof. On Mastodon, for example, if you get kicked off a node just spin up your own node. If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. So I don't get what Nostr is trying to do.

The issue with Mastodon is that your network ID is tied to the domain of the server you are connecting to. If you get kicked off of that server you can move to another one, but you effectively have to create a new account. You loose all your followers, etc. Nostr fixes those problems. You can never lose your ID because it’s derived from your public key. You can be blocked from a relay, but it doesn’t matter because y…

Run your own server of mastodon. Boom done

Edit: Then this Nostr will gain the same rep as Polerma as a haven for right wing wierdos for better or worse. Or maybe it will take off and who knows.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#43

Post by gigatexal »

BudweiserZero wrote: post #40
legutierr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Mastodon is that your network ID is tied to the domain of the server you are connecting to. If you get kicked off of that server you can move to another one, but you effectively have to create a new account. You loose all your followers, etc. Nostr fixes those problems. You can never lose your ID because it’s derived from your public key. You can be blocked from a relay, but it doesn’t matter because y…

> If you get kicked off of that server you can move to another one, but you effectively have to create a new account. You loose all your followers, etc Sure that's not a feature?

Hah for me it is.

The Alex Jones’s and Trumps and Fuentes’s and Kayne’s spewing their bile into a vacuum or even an isolated room into themselves (much like what Truth Social or Parler is) is a feature. They get to spew hate and dumb ideas and the rest of the civilized world need not hear or read it. Best of both worlds.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#44

Post by gigatexal »

larrysalibra wrote: post #25
gigatexal wrote: post #22

I don't understand Nostr's comments on trying to be deplatform-proof. On Mastodon, for example, if you get kicked off a node just spin up your own node. If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. So I don't get what Nostr is trying to do.

If you get kicked off a mastodon server, you lose your followers and posts unless you're able to move your account before you're kicked off - which requires the cooperation of the server that wants to kick you off. > If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. People who are de-platfo…

Nah fam. Trump got kicked off of twitter and the world was better for it. Same with Nick Fuentes. The list goes on.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#45

Post by snowstormsun »

dochtman wrote: post #27
zikduruqe wrote: post #18

I joined a Nostr relay the other night, and every time I posted a Lightning Node invoice for 100 sats, within minutes I got 2 cents in my wallet. So at least I made some money from this. :) I'm following the project/protocol, it seems interesting. Here are some NIPS https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips

In NIP-04 I noticed that DMs can be encrypted using AES-CBC. IIUC, this is not a very robust mode for using AES. Seems surprising for a greenfield project.

What's wrong with CBC? I think the bigger problem is the symmetric keys are not using a key derivation function and are therefore not uniformly random: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/issues/72

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#46

Post by sph »

gigatexal wrote: post #41
sph wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have one Mastodon server you can post to (for that account). You can post on as many NOSTR relays as you want. Get banned on one, you are still publishing on the others. You can also, along with your messages, suggest to "subscribers" your preferred relays, so people that really want to follow you as you get banned all over the net always know the best place to reach you. This process of course would be automated…

Run. Your. Own. Mastodon host. Problem solved. Linnode has one click rollouts.

I was explaining how Nostr works, not how to avoid getting banned from Mastodon.

The point is that you have only one Mastodon API endpoint vs potentially infinite Nostr relays for each account you own.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#47

Post by Karunamon »

madeofpalk wrote: post #23
nine_k wrote: post #9

The biggest problem I see here is forwarding someone else's unknown and unencrypted content. Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Unlike an email client, your relay actually makes that message available to anyone. Unlike an email relay, you are not forwarding the message to someone else like a dumb pipe; there's no fin…

For what it's worth, the US has "section 230" that absolves services providers of liability for content their users post.

Not much. While this may keep you out of jail, it will not prevent you from being raided at four in the morning and having your pets shot and all your computers seized for months.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#48

Post by acdha »

larrysalibra wrote: post #25
gigatexal wrote: post #22

I don't understand Nostr's comments on trying to be deplatform-proof. On Mastodon, for example, if you get kicked off a node just spin up your own node. If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. So I don't get what Nostr is trying to do.

If you get kicked off a mastodon server, you lose your followers and posts unless you're able to move your account before you're kicked off - which requires the cooperation of the server that wants to kick you off. > If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. People who are de-platfo…

> It wasn't that "no one" wanted to hear them, but that the people that controlled the platform didn't want others to be able to hear them.

More accurately, it was because they repeatedly broke the terms of service and the companies were no longer willing to use their resources to provide free amplification for them. They had legal agreements with the platform and despite many warnings and leeway which isn’t extended to most people, chose to break the contracts.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#49

Post by mattdesl »

gigatexal wrote: post #42
legutierr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Mastodon is that your network ID is tied to the domain of the server you are connecting to. If you get kicked off of that server you can move to another one, but you effectively have to create a new account. You loose all your followers, etc. Nostr fixes those problems. You can never lose your ID because it’s derived from your public key. You can be blocked from a relay, but it doesn’t matter because y…

Run your own server of mastodon. Boom done Edit: Then this Nostr will gain the same rep as Polerma as a haven for right wing wierdos for better or worse. Or maybe it will take off and who knows.

People don’t like running their own server. In public key infra like nostr and farcaster, you get the non-custodial ownership of your account without the technical and cost barriers involved in running a server.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

#50

Post by drexlspivey »

nine_k wrote: post #33
drexlspivey wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are going to post illegal stuff (signed by you) then somehow convince someone to raid my server in the hopes of that illegal thing being on my hard disk. Relays don’t have to store any message on disk, they relay stuff real time over websockets. Even if you store messages you can trivially wipe them every 24h? Then you are going to convince a judge that the thing on my disk belongs to me, because judges are appar…

> signed by you Signed by a private key which has no connection to my legal identity, and which can be generated in a split second. Signatures give strong pseudonymity. > Relays don’t have to store any message on disk This is a good idea, as long as messages are relatively few, which may be hundreds of thousands if they are short. There's no promise of availability, so an infrequent reboot is free to erase them. > Th…

> No, only a server that allows users to upload UGC without requiring enough background information to let the law enforcement find out their real identities if need be. Should be an adequate explanation to the judge in a civilized country where governmental censorship is not a thing.

So just to be super clear, you don’t upload images on a relay, nostr messages are just signed json blobs i.e text. If you want to post an image you just post a link to it and the image is hosted elsewhere.

If there is such a thing as an illegal text string that is illegal to have on your hard drive then I can do the same attack on any webserver by having the illegal string in my user agent and it’s going to be saved to the hard disk in the logfile.

Then according to your plan I can raid the server with the illegal string and put the server owner to jail. Does that make sense to you?

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