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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by totalZero »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #70
cycrutchfield wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understand this mentality. Keep undeveloped land undeveloped for what? People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress.

Yeah, these people have the decision to sell or hold. Yet people blather on asif some anon-gov't agent "stole land" or something

Maybe, but that's not always the case. In the US, powers of eminent domain have at times been delegated to private entities. If there's a clear public benefit for seizure of land, sometimes the landowners don't have much of a choice.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by ericmay »

klyrs wrote: post #115
ericmay wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Central Ohio isn’t. Every year we pretty much just get “tornado formed somewhere” and maybe a trail or or building gets knocked down. Not to say something can’t happen but it’s not very often compared to the plains and south.

Thanks, I'm a west coast gal, the mountains protect us from such concerns and too much horizon makes me nervous...

I’m a skier and if we weren’t tied to here b/c of family I think we’d be out west somewhere. With boring climate comes stability. We don’t really have any fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, blizzards, or atmospheric rivers, or extreme heat/cold. But it’s so boring too. :(

I guess I take that back I mean it can get very hot or cold but it’s not sustained.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by tjr225 »

ericmay wrote: post #100
myko wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, there's even a shirt for it: https://www.homage.com/products/the-silicon-heartland Makes sense for tech companies to be in the Columbus area, Ohio State has an excellent CS program. The big markets in Columbus are banks and insurance.

Healthcare, government, education too. I really don’t like that shirt. Nicknames are earned. They have to be organic!

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by dopylitty »

rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

Sorry to hear that. Same thing happened in Loudoun county VA (us-east-1). It used to be a beautiful rural county with farmland or forests but last I was there is was absolutely covered with hulking concrete data centers with giant fences around them.

I can’t say it’s worth it. The AWS console should show how many acres of forest were plowed under for every EMR cluster that gets launched.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by rayiner »

dopylitty wrote: post #124
rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

Sorry to hear that. Same thing happened in Loudoun county VA (us-east-1). It used to be a beautiful rural county with farmland or forests but last I was there is was absolutely covered with hulking concrete data centers with giant fences around them. I can’t say it’s worth it. The AWS console should show how many acres of forest were plowed under for every EMR cluster that gets launched.

I grew up one county over in Fairfax. It was a double whammy. The Loudoun tech jobs attracted all these knowledge workers that flipped the state blue and set it on a path of decline (just like California, another formerly prosperous red state whose best days are behind it).

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

bob1029 wrote: post #22
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #10

Probably just another data center. But instead I’ll take a leap and predict: This is Amazon moving into not just designing Graviton but also vertically integrating silicon fabrication (for CPU, memory, and/or storage) into their portfolio.

Fabrication is a red line. Apple-style chip design is as far as it will ever go. You'd need to take the combined capital of Apple, Microsoft and Amazon, along with 2-3 decades of time to even begin considering becoming competitive with the likes of TSM or Samsung. Who is signing up for that risk profile?

Fabrication (or the loss of access to it at an affordable price) is an existential risk for every IAAS provider!

Lets forget about WW3, but even the risk of a TSMC monopoly (or rather a TSMC+Apple monopoly) and price gouging is existential enough that Amazon has plenty of risk sitting on the sidelines regarding fabrication.

It would be very inline with AWS to start fabrication as a service to avoid this existential risk. They can always start with easier node sizes for SSDs / DDRs / networking / automotive chips / etc. Even if only to self-source, Amazon alone needs a roughly-infinite supply of these speciality chips. Even totally new innovation that "only Amazon-types" need, like a Silicon interconnect the size of a Datacenter Cabinet (if the yield is reasonable) would be interesting to see.

They could even make a play at SiC chips[0]. If they can make it cheap and at small enough node sizes, I'd love to see what innovation SiC could bring to datacenter design. eg more efficient power supplies of each server/rack/cabinet.

[0] https://www.investors.com/news/technology/silicon-carbide-ch...

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by hnburnsy »

MrDunham wrote: post #73
samvher wrote: post #6

It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain? (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically anything else that matters here, and it's not lik…

I moved to Columbus after growing up in the Bay Area ~5 years ago, am friends with the head of economic development, and my wife worked at one of the data centers near Intel. It's hard to describe the sheer amount of land available there within only a 20 minute drive from a top 20 population town. Although I'm still a self-described snobby Californian, there is quite a lot to do here (except skiing and the beach). Bu…

Doesn't New Albany have an income tax, on top of state and federal taxes, and extra property tax rate to pay for the new infrastructure. Gotta pay for the upkeep on that white fence.

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Post by Kon-Peki »

a2tech wrote: post #71
LarryMullins wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ohio invented outer space after all.

The state of Ohio has birthed more astronauts than any other state. Mostly because people are so desperate to get out of Ohio they’ll go to space to escape. UofM has the most astronauts that made it to the moon. And a flag on the moon. Good natured ribbing :)

> UofM has the most astronauts that made it to the moon

The Wikipedia page suggests that the US Naval Academy has had 3 graduates walk on the moon with UofM, Purdue and West Point all having 2. Good company to be in, for sure.

I have many extended family members in Ohio. What I've heard is that most feel like public education is going down hill. It used to be that any sufficiently advanced high school student would get to attend classes at nearby colleges for free (and receive credit) if their local school didn't have a course they were qualified for. The current program has been very watered down and is underfunded, so very few kids actually get to take advantage of it. Just one of many negatives I've heard over the years.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by kitanata »

MrDunham wrote: post #73
samvher wrote: post #6

It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain? (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically anything else that matters here, and it's not lik…

I moved to Columbus after growing up in the Bay Area ~5 years ago, am friends with the head of economic development, and my wife worked at one of the data centers near Intel. It's hard to describe the sheer amount of land available there within only a 20 minute drive from a top 20 population town. Although I'm still a self-described snobby Californian, there is quite a lot to do here (except skiing and the beach). Bu…

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by kashunstva »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #56
rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

I never understand this mentality. Keep undeveloped land undeveloped for what? People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress.

Keep it undeveloped for what, you ask? Interestingly this featureless wasted space is likely the home of a rich ecosystem evolved and evolving right here. And this very ecosystem may well support human thriving too in ways that people whooshing past won’t begin to understand.

> People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress.

So that’s our choice - big box stores and Amazon warehouses or opiate addicts and unemployment? In this formulation, the more progress, the fewer opiate addicts. So if we roll the clock back to, say, the mid 1500’s the whole continent would have been full of opiate addicts. Or possibly the directionality of the relationship is wrong. Or opiate addiction and unemployment are a little more complicated than that there’s “unused” land around.

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