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Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Is Ohio becoming tech heartland?

Seems at least semi-possible given all the recent investment. I've lived in Columbus for the last decade or so and generally enjoy living here.

I view all this development with some trepidation as more high-paying jobs and big salaries threaten to do to Columbus and the surrounding area what has happened to lots of other tech cities though. Housing here is still _semi_ reasonable but definitely increasing fast, and the city has a fairly small footprint compared to other major metros.

Even so, it's an exciting time in a state which I think is usually fairly underrated as flyover country.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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400 acres represents 0.01% of Ohio's land area. This doesn't really change the state's land use profile.

Trees, for a forest? Those would still produce more for the planet than what an datacentre provides. Which takes resources from the planet..

Water is a finite resource, you need electricity too. Carbon emissions from the build. While I'm sure it will green DC but doesn't solve the fact your destroying natural land for nothing other than a building with servers in it.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of this has been built over the last 3 or 4 years.

This particular spot has electricity and water available from multiple service providers. It has one of the lowest seismic activity ratings in the US. We don't get hurricanes and very rarely get tornados. It is very flat and has great access to highways. We are within a 12 hour drive of something like 60% of the population of the US.

There are huge tax incentives to support Intel's Ohio One, which may have 6-10 fabs built within the next few years. The Intel project is paying for highway development the power and sewer extensions and more.

Spin off development is adding a slew of hotels, big box stores and other development all happening at the same time.

The local schools are rated very highly, and we are only a short drive from The Ohio State University, which is one of the largest universities in the country.

Columbus has a vibrant startup scene with several unicorns in the last couple of years.

They are taking our quiet country town on the outskirts of Columbus, of about 15K people to 100K people over the course of the next 7 years. They are taking many square miles of farmland to make this happen. They are bulldozing over everyone and anything that gets in their way. The developers are making money hand-over-fist. In particular Les Wexner's development company "The New Albany Company". Wexner is one of the key players behind all of this development.

I live on land that goes back in my wife's family to a Revolutionary war grant. I'm pretty sure we will be pushed out within the next year or two as well. The only thing that has stopped them so far is that we have most of the land set as conservation land, which is hard to undo and just pave over.

That doesn't stop the bulldozers from pushing things around next door to us and right up to our property line.

They cut down huge swaths of forest with 100, 150+ year old trees. They got permission to wipe out acres and acres of wetlands without having to worry about mitigation by donating the money to some wildlife fund instead.

We have a pair of displaced bald eagles that have been spotted flying around the area now trying to find a new home.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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400 acres represents 0.01% of Ohio's land area. This doesn't really change the state's land use profile.

Trees, for a forest? Those would still produce more for the planet than what an datacentre provides. Which takes resources from the planet.. Water is a finite resource, you need electricity too. Carbon emissions from the build. While I'm sure it will green DC but doesn't solve the fact your destroying natural land for nothing other than a building with servers in it.

Are you against all new development of land for commercial purposes? Or is it something about data centers in particular?

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Ohio has enormous parks already

Why not more?

Because people live there? Nah forget it, evacuate the whole state and let nature take over under the unbounded logic of "why not more."

400 acres is basically nothing compared to the scale of an entire state. It's less than a single square mile. Ohio has more than 40,000 square miles.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trees, for a forest? Those would still produce more for the planet than what an datacentre provides. Which takes resources from the planet.. Water is a finite resource, you need electricity too. Carbon emissions from the build. While I'm sure it will green DC but doesn't solve the fact your destroying natural land for nothing other than a building with servers in it.

Are you against all new development of land for commercial purposes? Or is it something about data centers in particular?

Any new development that doesn't give back to the resources it takes, yes.

If Amazon were to build a 400 acre DC and then contribute 800 acres of land as replacement, no problem. But 400 acres of destroyed habitat involving more air pollution, strain on planetary resources for a company which makes billions in profit and doesn't pay back. Where's the positive?

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain? (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically anything else that matters here, and it's not lik…

It's a coincidence in the sense that there's probably not a particular reason for Amazon to want to be next to Intel. It's not a coincidence in the sense that Ohio recently passed a bunch of tax incentives for building "megaprojects" [1], and New Albany in particular seems to be investing heavily in the infrastructure that would be required for such projects. So it's not surprising they both ended up there. [1] https…

I wonder where Ohio ranks in terms of "cheapness" to build compared to all 49 other states in the country (even before tax incentives)
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