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Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

wrldos wrote: post #213
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree, mailgun provides simple API and there are many similar services. Even if the desire is to use Google or O365, it's possible to do so, including AWS SES. Overall, it seems to be a minimal cost. On top of that, this is talking about self-hosting, for which the delivery is not a concern at all, the target of the emails is "yourself" (can add filters to avoid things reported to spam)

SMTP is the only API that should be considered.

I didn't imply HTTP API, I said "API" on purpose: they provide an SMTP API for bulk sending (an smtp relay), simple smtp sending and a nice curl command that can be used in simple scripts.

If that is not enough, Nylas is an option.

I just find extreme limiting your hosting options for email sending, especially when you can still host wherever you want and use email services from other providers.

In case of self hosting, the clients are also limited (usually yourself, family and friends), so you can even ask to "allow list" the address you plan to use for those communications.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Volundr »

onnyyonn wrote: post #212
Volundr wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I let Hetzner run NextCloud for me https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share It's an amazing value.

Do they allow installing any Nextcloud app of your choice? I could not find that information.

Yep it works! Obviously if the app requires specific software installed on the server it may or may not have what you need, but I've installed several apps including the Music app, and use mine as a Subsonic server.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by derefr »

layer8 wrote: post #144
derefr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the long term, I don’t trust a NAS in my house to hold my photo collection (online.) Not because of the NAS, but because of my house. Living spaces have a lot of factors that people optimize for when picking them. Data centres only have a few, and one of the most important is “is not prone to natural disasters.” Another is “has clean power with well-implemented surge and lightning-strike protection, and likely a…

How would “the government raiding your house” access the data in the NAS without first shutting it down (assuming network access is authenticated)? And then they would need the encryption password when booting it up again. (Ignoring the fact that the government might have other means to make you cooperate.)

The attack used on regular AT PCs with encrypted-at-rest boot disks but no TPM, is that DIMMs of DRAM can be popped out and immediately put into a specialized board that will keep them refreshed while scanning them (but cannot write to them.) As long as the encryption key is in plaintext in RAM, this allows you to recover it.

(Also, before you remove the DIMMs, you can get the RAM + its board very cold, to decrease the decay rate during the swap.)

Popular hardware NAS appliances might have all their RAM soldered on-board or part of an SoC die, but they still don't tend to have TPMs, nor an IOMMU (critical for limiting DMA rights by peripheral.) So accessing the keys on these is only a little bit more fiddly — either involving hijacking the address + data bus between the CPU and RAM; or, easier and more universal to modern devices, by putting a specialized PCI peripheral device onto the NAS's peripheral bus, that then dumps RAM by requesting DMA transfers to itself.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by aborsy »

KaiserPro wrote: post #9

1) what is your budget? 2) how much stuff are you planning on hosting? 3) how much bandwidth do you need? nextcloud was (I've not checked recently) very hard to secure properly, so you'll probably want to hide it behind a VPN or some such. The other thing to think about is the amount of time you have budgeted for initial setup, and on going maintenance. you will need to have backups, and those backups need to be test…

Can you clarify how nextcloud is very difficult to secure properly? I haven’t heard of such thing.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jmconfuzeus »

Just go to https://www.kimsufi.com/en-ie/dedicated-servers/ and grab a cheap dedicated server with 1TB+ HDD.

How do you protect your data from accidental loss then? Simply backup using Restic to a Backblaze B2 bucket.

And that's how you get dirt cheap self hosted services.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jesterson »

alex_sf wrote: post #148
miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

Worst advise. If you are incapable (no offence) to set up your own email server, doesn't mean anyone else should avoid doing it.

Source: Having own email server for 17 years. Absolutely happy with it. Again, that doesn't mean everyone should do it, but I'd abstain from advices like you should not! or should do same.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jesterson »

skrowl wrote: post #171

Whenever you consider going self-host, consider what REDUNDANCY and DOWNTIME are worth to you. Sure you can use an old computer and host at home much cheaper than AWS / Azure / etc. But on AWS / Azure / etc if the physical machine your VM is running on dies, your VM moves to another physical box within seconds without you having to do anything, within seconds, and without data loss. What is that WORTH to you? That sa…

While I agree with 1st sentence, amount of f*-ups VPS providers have is substantially higher than amount of f*-ups power providers have in my experience.

Furthermore, if power at your home can be managed by having 2nd power supply and sorts, mismanagement on IT side of your VPS is out of your control.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jesterson »

ryandrake wrote: post #93
geuis wrote: post #89

Linode. I've been a customer for almost 15 years. Has never served me wrong.

Another vote for Linode. Everything I need, Multiple domains, E-mail for all family members and a buddy's business E-mail, and light web hosting run on a $5 Linode running basic vanilla Debian, exim4, dovecot, lighttpd. Word of caution: If you're doing this to achieve resilience from the risk of big tech canceling your accounts and making your life difficult, moving to a VPS doesn't fully solve it. You're now at risk…

> Word of caution

It's a good point, however this can be easily rectified by having same node in sleeping mode at other provider. That's what I do for critical services. If provider A bans you for whatever reason, you can (reasonably)easy start same service.

And this just can't work if you are using conventional services like apple/google.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by telis »

Rhea [BOT]: The user is looking for a solution to manage their data storage that isn't relying on a faceless entity. The user wants to use a Nextcloud office suite for text documents and spreadsheets, store photos and videos in a backup collection, and back up their email history. They are considering using AWS or Linode, or Digital Ocean, and possibly adding in a Mastadon server for ActivityPub. The current plan is to use Nextcloud on Linode for a while and see how it goes, but the user is open to other suggestions.
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