Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 2:37 AM UTC

wrldos wrote: post #99

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use services like mailgun to send an email, so it's not a strict requirement

You can but that multiplies complexity somewhat. I have spent 25 years dealing with outbound email from various things from country level ISPs down to small web apps and the only way to not die inside a little is to send via one of the larger providers (O365/Google/iCloud/Yahoo/AWS SES etc). I had to even dump Fastmail because they had delivery issues with Yahoo.

I don't agree, mailgun provides simple API and there are many similar services. Even if the desire is to use Google or O365, it's possible to do so, including AWS SES.

Overall, it seems to be a minimal cost.

On top of that, this is talking about self-hosting, for which the delivery is not a concern at all, the target of the emails is "yourself" (can add filters to avoid things reported to spam)

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Rebles » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 3:29 AM UTC

I found that namecheap's VPC offering was the best price when I shopped around. I needed 2+ cores and 5+ Gi. They sell 4 Cores/6Gi for $15.88 monthly (or save money with quarterly/annual commitments.

It beat AWS's m5a.large's 3 year RIs ($27/mo) & 3 year compute savings plan ($31/mo) (no upfront).

It beat Azure's D2a v4's 3 year RI ($30.75)

It best GCP's e2-standard-2's 3 year committed use pricing ($22/mo)

It beat Digital Ocean's 2 CPU 4Gi Shared ($24/mo)

It beat Vultr's 2CPU 4Gi Shared ($20/mo).

It beat Linode's 1CPU 4Gi Shared ($20/mo).

I just heard about hetzner.com from this post, and it seem like they can beat namecheap's pricing. Hetzner's CPX31 offers 4 CPU / 8Gi for ~$14.77/mo. I might have to check them out

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by sfmike » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 4:36 AM UTC

bovermyer wrote: post #12

Buy a Minisforum UM350. Install Linux on it. Set up Tailscale on it and all devices you want to have access to its internal services. Set up Nextcloud on it. There you go, $300 one-time cost, and you have a very powerful private server that can run all your self-hosted stuff. Via Tailscale, it can even expose some services to the public internet, if you feel the desire to do so.

I love minisforum and all things mini pcs.

To add to parents great idea, this is 70 bucks more (currently $320 versus $390 for this on Amazon US) and it's an 8 core ryzen and 32gigbs of ram so will handle a lot more:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BFBNDVW8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_...

Not affiliate, just anecdotal, just purchased this for myself this last fall and its fast and cheap and I feel the best current value from mini pc's at sub 400. The ones at 600-1000 cost are just incrementally better from this one's specs so I feel it's the sweet spot at $390. So your server can be much much beefier for not much more.

I may even be running a GPU externally on this :)

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by fpanzer » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 5:24 AM UTC

alex_sf wrote: post #148

miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

I've been living off of fixing misconfigured mailservers for 15 years. It's really not /that/ hard.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by fomine3 » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

raphaelj wrote: post #10

I really like Scaleway: https://www.scaleway.com/en/ . Similar offer and simplicity as DigitalOcean, but way lower prices. I had to reach support a few months ago, and they were pretty responsive. They also show the prices per month , not per hour/milisecond/byte/whatever. As I'm also the one paying the invoices, I really like that.

fyi https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27982769

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by hamandcheese » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 7:02 AM UTC

eduction wrote: post #52

hamandcheese wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The home server maintains a vpn connection to the ec2 instance. you also need to configure nat and port forwarding on both sides so you’ll need to get your hands dirty with nftables/netfilter (probably a night or two of pain realistically). You could simplify substantially by simply using the ec2 instance as a reverse proxy (well, that’s simpler to me, at least, as someone much more familiar with reverse proxies).

Yup but if you terminate tls at the ec2 side (as in a reverse proxy) the tradeoff is less privacy since the upload/download data is fully observable from the ec2 instance. (Correct me if I’m wrong here, this is my memory from when I decided on my own setup years ago.) Some people might not care about this which is fine. Personally I’d rather take on slightly more overheard in setup (nftables vs nginx or whatever) and…

Ahh i understand now. So you’re basically just using ec2 for the IP address then, right?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by konart » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 7:19 AM UTC

bitcoinmoney wrote: post #56

konart wrote: post #11

I use https://racknerd.com/ was lucky to get a good vps for 19$ a year (A YEAR).

What storage and ram?

40Gb SSD, 2GB RAM, 2 cores

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by ohthehugemanate » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 7:38 AM UTC

tra3 wrote: post #100

qbasic_forever wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Syncthing is a flawless Dropbox replacement in my experience. There's a big caveat that you need something like a NAS or your home server always online with it though as it's peer to peer sync only.

Nobody talks about conflict resolution that Dropbox does..sync thing has an issue with conflicts because of its distributed topology. Editing the same text file on multiple machines inevitably resulted in a conflict that I had to manually resolved. I’m back with Dropbox for now.

This is something that nextcloud does really well. There are lots of sync tools on the level of syncthing, but my experience with nextcloud is a polished experience truly competitve with Dropbox on the complicated stuff like conflict handling, private/restricted shares, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Phelinofist » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 8:01 AM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #184

Phelinofist wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nextcloud is really just awful to manage. It is kinda insane that you have to do all major version migrations consecutively _manually_, so if you are on 10 and didn't upgrade for a while and current is 13, you have to do 10->11, 11->12 and finally 12->13.

That's the one thing that makes sense.

How so?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by csomar » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 8:07 AM UTC

I'm using a Qnap NAS. It has its own operating system but you can really install anything on it if you are dedicated enough.

One thing: Get the 3/4 drives models. I thought two drives will be enough, but I actually had an instance where one drive failed and the second drive quickly failed after that (thankfully I had already swapped the first defective drive with a newer one). But it could have been possible that two drives go bad at the same time.