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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by krono »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #173
krono wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scaleway asked me for a copy of my Dutch passport too which I refused, and then they limited the services available to the long-time active business account this was for. Neither their docs or two separate support agents I spoke had any information on why it was necessary, where the copy would end up, how long it would be kept, etc. which seemed very fishy and is totally illegal. This was about a year ago.

Maybe this is needed to figure out how much VAT to charge you?

Since both are EU businesses, these were "Intra-Community Acquisitions"[1] so the VAT was reverse-charged.

Either way, they knew the business' VAT ID, Chamber of Commerce ID, etc. and had been billing us successfully using that info for a good while, there were no outstanding bills, and there was nothing nefarious or questionable going on our servers or with the associated traffic (just running legacy applications and services).

All in all a super weird experience, which was a shame since we were otherwise and up until then quite happy with them.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax...

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by epalm »

tra3 wrote: post #141
epalm wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you edit a file on two devices at the same time, doesn’t Dropbox just create a copy of the file? Is that process what you’re referring to?

Sometimes Dropbox does, but mostly it seems to figure it out. Sync thing on the other hand creates a conflict almost always.

I’ve never used syncthing, when you say it “creates a conflict”, does that mean the same file copy mechanism as Dropbox?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by noAnswer »

api wrote: post #23
phoehne wrote: post #15

That's a reasonable plan. And I 100% agree that controlling your data is preferable to having it mined. What frustrates me, and why I don't do it any more, is we don't have a manageable story for most things. In many cases there's a good recipe you can follow to stand up the basic service. But hardening, security patching, etc. aren't covered. You have to come up with your own solution to make sure it's up, etc. On t…

The experience needs to be more like installing an app on a phone or a game on a console and with automated backups and easy restore. Self hosting will never come back if we are still expecting people to manage servers like it’s 1985. I think part of the problem is that this is exactly the kind of stuff that is not fun. It’s that boring middle layer between the OS and apps. Compounding the problem is the fact that th…

> The experience needs to be more like installing an app on a phone or a game on a console and with automated backups and easy restore.

I would say NASs from Synology or QNAP provide that. Small but good managed Appstore with autoupdate and file/config backup.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by ipaddr »

Phelinofist wrote: post #164
preya2k wrote: post #42

Don't expect too much from Nextcloud – it will not be a 1:1 replacement for commercial services from Google, Microsoft, etc. Prepare to spend much time debugging, configuring, reading tickets, etc. If you only want files and Cloud office, consider using alternatives like Seafile[1] or the new OwnCloud rewrite in Go called OCIS[2], which are MUCH more stable than Nextcloud. [1]: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ [2]: h…

Nextcloud is really just awful to manage. It is kinda insane that you have to do all major version migrations consecutively _manually_, so if you are on 10 and didn't upgrade for a while and current is 13, you have to do 10->11, 11->12 and finally 12->13.

That's the one thing that makes sense.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by seanw444 »

alex_sf wrote: post #148
miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

To clarify: it's not hard to set it up. It'll just be useless because all your emails to people will be marked as spam. And it takes years to have a chance at getting a good enough "algorithmic reputation" to be pulled out of that bin.

The state of email is disappointing and sad. It is possibly one of the most centralized decentralized protocols/networks on the planet. We need a good replacement for it. It's so legacy.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by t-writescode »

jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

> and just deal with the fact it's not externally available

I'm confused about this part. The default Docker implementation and Docker AIO implementation expect you to have a website that you point to to make it work. They auto-get SSL certs against that website.

Has this not been everyone else's experience?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by ipaddr »

dizhn wrote: post #127
eropple wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days, OCI locks your account to "always free resources" unless you specifically undo it and you cannot provision resources that'd be outside of those bounds.

You can during the 30 days trial and if you get caught with overage after the trial is iver they are supposed to terminate your existing vms. I don't know the particulars of it though.

Don't use any 30 day free trial and expect it available on 31.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by ipaddr »

Alupis wrote: post #121
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #22

Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

Not specifically related to Oracle Cloud itself, but I am curious how folks remain on the Free Tiers of these providers, such as Oracle Cloud, GCP, AWS, etc. It seems, from a glancing review, all of these services structure the Free Tier to force an "on-demand" or "serverless" architecture, since the CPU-seconds and GB-seconds are always undersized for an always-on system (such as a traditional server or OCI containe…

I created 4 boxes attached 50 gig block storage and run lamp. Serverless is something you do when interest rates are lower.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by [deleted] »

jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jerf »

t-writescode wrote: post #186
jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

> and just deal with the fact it's not externally available I'm confused about this part. The default Docker implementation and Docker AIO implementation expect you to have a website that you point to to make it work. They auto-get SSL certs against that website. Has this not been everyone else's experience?

The docker image I'm using runs over HTTP just fine. The client can be prompted to use it manually. Since it's only internal, I'm dealing with it (and it doesn't share any passwords).

Is it a bad idea? Yeah, sure, but given that it's not publicly routable if you're attacking my HTTP port as far as I'm concerned I've already lost. So there's no security situation that internal HTTPS will change, as far as I'm concerned. If HTTPS was the thing that stopped something, I've still got a problem.

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