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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

Not specifically related to Oracle Cloud itself, but I am curious how folks remain on the Free Tiers of these providers, such as Oracle Cloud, GCP, AWS, etc.

It seems, from a glancing review, all of these services structure the Free Tier to force an "on-demand" or "serverless" architecture, since the CPU-seconds and GB-seconds are always undersized for an always-on system (such as a traditional server or OCI container).

For hobby projects or book exercises, the Free Tiers can be enticing, but seem like a gateway into surprise billings. What do you do if you require a few OCI containers at the same time?

How do you folks do it? Is everyone just doing "serverless" these days and I'm old fashioned?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#122
Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything.

Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worry free.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#124

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #124

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

I imagine that funneling it through an encrypted VPN would make it impossible to detect.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Syncthing is a flawless Dropbox replacement in my experience. There's a big caveat that you need something like a NAS or your home server always online with it though as it's peer to peer sync only.

Nobody talks about conflict resolution that Dropbox does..sync thing has an issue with conflicts because of its distributed topology. Editing the same text file on multiple machines inevitably resulted in a conflict that I had to manually resolved. I’m back with Dropbox for now.

If you edit a file on two devices at the same time, doesn’t Dropbox just create a copy of the file? Is that process what you’re referring to?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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I'm not going to repeat my experiences here because it's frustrating to write it out and probably annoying to hear. I can't in good conscience however, ever allow someone to recommend Oracle Cloud uncontested. If it's working for you, I'm not going to fight, but please don't recommend it, the axe of Oracle is heavy swung- even if it hasn't caught your neck yet it definitely strikes. EDIT: for those curious: https://n…

These days, OCI locks your account to "always free resources" unless you specifically undo it and you cannot provision resources that'd be outside of those bounds.

You can during the 30 days trial and if you get caught with overage after the trial is iver they are supposed to terminate your existing vms. I don't know the particulars of it though.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #124

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

How tyrannical. In Romania, my ISP Digi gives me a free domain name.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#129

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

Over the long term, I don’t trust a NAS in my house to hold my photo collection (online.) Not because of the NAS, but because of my house.

Living spaces have a lot of factors that people optimize for when picking them. Data centres only have a few, and one of the most important is “is not prone to natural disasters.” Another is “has clean power with well-implemented surge and lightning-strike protection, and likely a UPS for graceful shutdown on power-cut.” I did not weigh any of those factors heavily when selecting where to live. A 1000-year flood could put my house underwater.

And while you could certainly stick a drive or tape with your photo collection in a fire safe in your home — that’s not really the point, here. Online sync and thin-client access is.

> They can still access it

Data stored in these services can be stored E2E-encrypted with only your clients, not the backends, holding the keys. IIRC there are many apps designed exactly for this “store data across many low-trust remote clouds, never giving the cloud providers the keys” use-cases.

On the other hand, IIRC there are no apps shipped by the NAS hardware vendors that do this, because they assume that your own physical ownership of the NAS is enough for you. And while you can set your NAS up to act similarly to a PC, with an encrypted disk that’s mounted on boot — that’s pretty useless, since a NAS is only serving a useful purpose when it’s already up when you need it, so its uptime will inevitably be measured in months.

Which is problematic, when your modelled attacker isn’t “the cloud vendor snooping on you”, but “the government raiding your house.” Data E2E-encrypted at rest in the cloud, with the only keys being on a device in your pocket can quickly locally wipe, is much more secure against that threat. (Not that this is the most likely threat for most people, but I like considering it, because if you can solve for this, you end up solving for basically all other threat models “for free.”)

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

I imagine that funneling it through an encrypted VPN would make it impossible to detect.

But then, it's not open to public access, just to you or whoever you trust with your VPN credentials.
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