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Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by skrowl »

Whenever you consider going self-host, consider what REDUNDANCY and DOWNTIME are worth to you.

Sure you can use an old computer and host at home much cheaper than AWS / Azure / etc. But on AWS / Azure / etc if the physical machine your VM is running on dies, your VM moves to another physical box within seconds without you having to do anything, within seconds, and without data loss. What is that WORTH to you?

That said, you can get a Synology NAS (easy) or build your own NAS (harder) and run Nextcloud in Docker. In the event of hardware failure (it will happen, it's just a matter of when), you'd just have to bring that Docker container + backing storage back up on the replacement gear.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by Volundr »

briffle wrote: post #153
Volundr wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I let Hetzner run NextCloud for me https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share It's an amazing value.

that sounds like an awesome deal, but the latency for me in the US would be painfull. Looks like they do not offer US hosting for this.

They don't. FWIW it's never been an issue for me in the Midwest, but YMMV. In general I'm syncing the files I need to my computer or backing up photos to my phone so latency doesn't really matter for my use case.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

krono wrote: post #44
nrabulinski wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been a Scaleway user for years and they don’t have anything except for my CC info, where did you get the idea of sending a copy of your passport from? FWIW I’ve never had to send my ID or passport to any European service provider.

Scaleway asked me for a copy of my Dutch passport too which I refused, and then they limited the services available to the long-time active business account this was for. Neither their docs or two separate support agents I spoke had any information on why it was necessary, where the copy would end up, how long it would be kept, etc. which seemed very fishy and is totally illegal. This was about a year ago.

Maybe this is needed to figure out how much VAT to charge you?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#174

Post by indigodaddy »

miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I’ve got a Cloudron instance on a 1G buyvm (3.50). The Cloudron free tier is kinda perfect for it because the 2 app free tier maximum pretty much exhausts the 1G of memory (running rocket.chat and The Lounge).

I have it setup as my.srv1.domain.com (with apps at appX.srv1.domain.com). This way if I need more apps I just spin up another 1G Ubuntu instance somewhere and install cloudron as srv2 etc, for another 2 apps that fit squarely into the 1G and also Cloudron free tier. Cloudron in their forum has also stated that this does not violate their terms (they said completely within terms).

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by ollien »

sidmitra wrote: post #26
jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

>and just deal with the fact it's not externally available Perhaps wireguard(or tailscale just for this bit). Not saying you have to, having local only as default is perfectly good and safer maybe!

Yeah, Tailscale is probably a good bet. If you wanted to get a bit more involved, I have a blog post about my setup with OpenVPN (though it does require a hosted box, which may kinda defeat the purpose of having it locally for OP depending on their needs)

https://blog.ollien.com/posts/vpn-gateway/

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by danielheath »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #168
Seattle3503 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What’s the point of replacing one corporation with another (especially if you have to maintain the server yourself)? I dont think most people have issues with corperations in principle. It is a few particular companies people want to avoid. Hosting is commoditized; if your host becomes a problem you can migrate. This isn't as easy with Google.

> Hosting is commoditized; if your host becomes a problem you can migrate. Not so when you are using custom offerings from a hosting company. OP specifically mentions "Nextcloud office suites". How will he migrate that?

Install it somewhere else and move the data directory across?

Nextcloud is foss, right?

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by anderspitman »

Rather than hosting in the cloud, you might consider using Docker Desktop (or Podman, or Rancher) on a used Windows laptop along with a tunneling solution (I maintain a list here[0]) which gets around NAT/CGNAT and keeps your IP address private. Something like Cloudflare Tunnel is the easiest, but you can also selfhost your own server in which case your VPS is simply a relay.

[0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by dakiol »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #22

Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

They require you to submit your credit card information (even for the free tier). No thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by jtode »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #168
Seattle3503 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What’s the point of replacing one corporation with another (especially if you have to maintain the server yourself)? I dont think most people have issues with corperations in principle. It is a few particular companies people want to avoid. Hosting is commoditized; if your host becomes a problem you can migrate. This isn't as easy with Google.

> Hosting is commoditized; if your host becomes a problem you can migrate. Not so when you are using custom offerings from a hosting company. OP specifically mentions "Nextcloud office suites". How will he migrate that?

Yah it's just a plugin, an advertised feature if you will. Whatever rented presence I have for a public IP will be treated the same way one treats a container (might end up being a container, who knows...) - persistent config and storage data is stored outside the container and invoked on launch, and similarly, I will have all config and storage backed up on my local server as well. So as they say, if I decide I don't like my hosting company, I will be ready to simply shut them down and open a new account elsewhere, apply config, "restore" backups to new bucket/blockstore if need be, done.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#180

Post by bsder »

miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

Ask why you want to host email before doing so.

Since almost all of the people you correspond with are sending from Gmail or Office365 or , there is no email security anyway. Sadly.

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