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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Nobody talks about conflict resolution that Dropbox does..sync thing has an issue with conflicts because of its distributed topology. Editing the same text file on multiple machines inevitably resulted in a conflict that I had to manually resolved. I’m back with Dropbox for now.

If you edit a file on two devices at the same time, doesn’t Dropbox just create a copy of the file? Is that process what you’re referring to?

Sometimes Dropbox does, but mostly it seems to figure it out.

Sync thing on the other hand creates a conflict almost always.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

The last time I perused the ToS for my ISP, it disallows this sort of thing if it's commercial in nature. This specific use may not be against ToS from my perspective. For the record, I selfhost a containerized instance of nextcloud inside a virtual machine on a hand-me-down 2015 iMac. It works just fine and no issues with my ISP so far.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is against the ToS for most residential internet providers and can subject you to disconnection/ban from one of the few/only carriers available in your city.

I imagine that funneling it through an encrypted VPN would make it impossible to detect.

My ISP accused me of running servers (I don't) simply because I used too much traffic.

I send 100% of my traffic VPN encrypted and I pay an extra $50 or $70 monthly for "unlimited" data transfer.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #129

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

Over the long term, I don’t trust a NAS in my house to hold my photo collection (online.) Not because of the NAS, but because of my house. Living spaces have a lot of factors that people optimize for when picking them. Data centres only have a few, and one of the most important is “is not prone to natural disasters.” Another is “has clean power with well-implemented surge and lightning-strike protection, and likely a…

How would “the government raiding your house” access the data in the NAS without first shutting it down (assuming network access is authenticated)? And then they would need the encryption password when booting it up again.

(Ignoring the fact that the government might have other means to make you cooperate.)

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #129

Why not run it from your home network? You're likely already paying for home Internet, and since most of the access will be local, it'll be neither slow nor will it cost anything. Don't forget that running your stuff and putting your data onto servers belonging to big corporations means that even if they're not scanning everything the way Google scans your email, they can still access it, so it's better, but not worr…

Over the long term, I don’t trust a NAS in my house to hold my photo collection (online.) Not because of the NAS, but because of my house. Living spaces have a lot of factors that people optimize for when picking them. Data centres only have a few, and one of the most important is “is not prone to natural disasters.” Another is “has clean power with well-implemented surge and lightning-strike protection, and likely a…

Yes - you're absolutely right to have off-site backups. In the past I've had reciprocal backups with others for years, where I host a small box of theirs and they host a small box of mine for exactly this.

Also, having had a colocated box be literally under water during Hurricane Sandy while at a real, proper datacenter in Manhattan, I can say that a thousand year flood can be just as much a concern for datacenters as for homes ;)

There are plenty of cheap colocation providers, too, you know, but that might be more for people like me who don't trust corporations at all.

However, I disagree with the idea that a NAS can't do encryption, but then again I would never consider running an environment that is based solely on what is "shipped by the NAS hardware vendors".

That you're more worried about the government raiding your house than you are worried about them slurping all your data from the hosting provider without you even knowing could be an entirely different discussion thread. Me, I want to know, and I want there to be a proper subpoena, whereas the NSA employees who work for Google or Amazon aren't refusing to work without a subpoena. I don't assume that data encrypted in shared hosting is safe, because hypervisors can be used to pull keys from memory. But that would definitely lead to a different discussion :)

This thread is still interesting to me because I'm often asked to help small businesses figure out online backup with reasonable security, not necessarily complete security. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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What’s the point of replacing one corporation with another (especially if you have to maintain the server yourself)? Host it on cheap hardware at home, with plenty of RAM and CPU. If the power is off for 15min, that doesn’t matter for personal use. As a plus, you can host it in plaintext (or at least, load the LUKS key), so that applications can index your data, allowing a lot of cool stuff. You can lock it in down m…

love this - my ISP does not love this

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Proxmox with ZFS and zfs-auto-snapshot - rock solid, fully encrypted [3](german) and not too power hungry. On my Homeserver

  Fujitsu D3417-B2
  Xeon 1225v5
  32GB ECC RAM
  Pico PSU 150W
  Samsung 980 Pro NVMe
it takes only 9.3 Watt idle after some optimizations and you can choose ready LXC containers like https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/ or https://github.com/extremeshok/xshok-proxmox to partly automate some of the installations.

It can even run macOS VMs[1] and raspberry pi virtualized[2]

Works great so far and way better than TrueNAS Scale (at least atm) or bare metal linux systems. Needs some research and learning though[4].

[1]: https://www.nicksherlock.com/2022/10/installing-macos-13-ven...

[2]: https://azeria-labs.com/emulate-raspberry-pi-with-qemu/

[3]: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/proxmox-stammt...

[4]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjuiIswXGs&list=PLT98CRl2Kx...

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is SeaFile these days? I really want something close to Dropbox, but my own drives.

Syncthing is a flawless Dropbox replacement in my experience. There's a big caveat that you need something like a NAS or your home server always online with it though as it's peer to peer sync only.

Syncthing doesn't support my older Mac devices anymore. I can't get Syncthing to work on Mac OSX Yosemite (10.10.5). And no, the device is not upgradable for a variety of reasons not worth going into.

Any solutions there?

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