The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

Post by hgsgm » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 12:55 PM UTC

blastonico wrote: post #134

mc32 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what people there tell me. I'm sure it depends a lot on what part of Google people work for, but yeah, come in late, leave early, long lunches, work-outs, meetings to discuss meetings... I don't know how they got things done. In plenty of companies things that took a team of seven with a manager could be accomplished by two. So, yeah, the reputation has some known basis but may not reflect all of Google.

They don't get things done. They buy companies that got those things done: YouTube, Google Docs, Android, etc.

Post by hgsgm » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 1:03 PM UTC

borroka wrote: post #135

abadger9 wrote: post #44

I'll say something I wish someone told me in my 20's: most leadership/upper management is poor. I've worked at FAANGs, a unicorn, and currently @ a company that recently IPO'd. Most people in product leadership neither really understand how to make original ideas that effect the product at a high level or the technical details of the product, their responsibility is to be good stewards of a certain revenue stream and…

To paraphrase, it is not that most leadership/high management is poorer than expected, it appears poorer even when it is expected to be poorer than expected. At some point between the ages of 20 and 30, you begin to believe that, although it is difficult to point out what they are better at than you or your peers, in order to be in the position they are in, "leaders" must be better in some way--say, in the technical…

Post by hgsgm » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 1:08 PM UTC

euroderf wrote: post #242

bradleyjg wrote: post #10

This ruling [Dodge vs Ford Motor Company (1919)] stands at the heart of the current situations being faced by companies like Google today. —- It really doesn’t. First, that’s a Michigan case interpreting Michigan law. Almost every non trivial US company is incorporated in Delaware and subject to Delaware law. Delaware law does have somewhat similar cases, eBay v. Newmark is a good one to read but … Second, in both th…

Asking for help here. There was a similar court case in the 80s. I believe it was a shareholder lawsuit and that it went all the way to the Supreme Court. The court was asked whether a company can take into account a variety of stakeholder & community interests in its decisionmaking, or must it seek to maximize shareholder return. In the case, the court ruled that shareholder return is the only legitimate goal. I sus…

Post by ElevenLathe » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 1:26 PM UTC

abadger9 wrote: post #44

I'll say something I wish someone told me in my 20's: most leadership/upper management is poor. I've worked at FAANGs, a unicorn, and currently @ a company that recently IPO'd. Most people in product leadership neither really understand how to make original ideas that effect the product at a high level or the technical details of the product, their responsibility is to be good stewards of a certain revenue stream and…

Post by kerblang » Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

bikeshaving wrote: post #41

kerblang wrote: post #20

You work for google because you make insane money and have cachet you can take anywhere and get hired instantly. Hell, you can pull in 10 million funding for your startup idea if you like. Or just retire, get a boat, go sailing. Of course all of this had to go bad. Come on now. Stop whining already. I work in the IT sewer fighting rats. I will always have work. I'm filthy and I smell bad, but I'm doing fine, and no,…

How many rats would you say you fight in a typical fiscal year, if you don’t mind me asking?