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The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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When I was in college years ago, I knew a guy whose plan was to turn his Amazon internship into a FTE offer, work there a couple years, and then go to Google and quote "sit." It worked. Not a bad plan in the early/mid 2010s ;)

Remember when people used to say this kind of behavior is why the Soviet Union fell behind the capitalist world?

The layoffs are the capitalism part coming into play now

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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This ruling [Dodge vs Ford Motor Company (1919)] stands at the heart of the current situations being faced by companies like Google today. —- It really doesn’t. First, that’s a Michigan case interpreting Michigan law. Almost every non trivial US company is incorporated in Delaware and subject to Delaware law. Delaware law does have somewhat similar cases, eBay v. Newmark is a good one to read but … Second, in both th…

Asking for help here.

There was a similar court case in the 80s. I believe it was a shareholder lawsuit and that it went all the way to the Supreme Court. The court was asked whether a company can take into account a variety of stakeholder & community interests in its decisionmaking, or must it seek to maximize shareholder return.

In the case, the court ruled that shareholder return is the only legitimate goal.

I suspect this case was very influential, and I would be grateful to anyone who can track it down.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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> I don't feel sympathy for them. Why not? > If anything, they should feel sympathy for me Maybe they do, have you talked to some? Also, why should they feel sympathy for you, if you're not interested in feeling sympathy for others? > give me some of that extra cash they've been getting. Why do they deserve it more than I do? They don't. Is it their fault that they get paid more and you get paid less for the same or…

What I don't like is whiners. My values and your are not aligned at all. Understand: I don't want sympathy from anyone. I don't think I deserve sympathy, nor do I need it. Do I need to explain sarcasm to you?

Are all expressions of desire for change, whining?

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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I'll say something I wish someone told me in my 20's: most leadership/upper management is poor. I've worked at FAANGs, a unicorn, and currently @ a company that recently IPO'd. Most people in product leadership neither really understand how to make original ideas that effect the product at a high level or the technical details of the product, their responsibility is to be good stewards of a certain revenue stream and…

I have a very similar observation. My belief is that when you have a group of extremely smart and hard working people competing for promotions, the ones focusing on managing perception and relationships will do better than those focusing on the business or product.

But perception and relationships is what will ultimately drive sales, because customers are people too. What's difficult is finding the balance between product, marketing/sales, and tech. An easy example but I find Steve Jobs really personified this, the marketing vision was an integral part of the product. The failure is favouring one over the other, and yes naturally in big companies the relationship people will take over, but startups too tech centric without customer culture regularly fail too.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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It doesn't expire for 60 days because they're not "really" unemployed till then. Which is still extremely bad government policy; you don't want your best taxpayers to leave.

So maybe they avoid tax declaration and government no longer wants them in the country?

Who's declaring what now? Paying taxes as an employee isn't opt-in.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Actually they're about the financial class trying to protect the value of their wealth by pressuring the companies they own to contain salaries, in order to curb inflation.

You get a better understanding of the US if you keep in mind that "the financial class" means retired homeowners who own Vanguard funds, not people who look like the Penguin. But Google isn't owned by them, it's owned by Page and Brin.

True to some extent, but pensioners don't make the decisions, or take a huge cut of the short term windfalls/commissions/etc that they can generate; the financial class are really those pulling the levers.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Don’t you mean split hairs?

It depends on if you're threatening Bugs Bunny with a scimitar or not.

Well, if we really wanted to bisect the bunny we could go for 'hare-brained'.

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And I bet you think your $50K/$100K/$150K or whatever else salary is perfectly justified and you are adding great value to the world. Why is that? Or will you admit that you are privileged as well?

I have admitted multiple times on HN and elsewhere that I don't think anything I've done in my career has been particularly valueable or useful to society. I totally own it. I not only don't complain about being "laid off". I often quit jobs myself and spend some "gap" time doing nothing before I find the next job. Currently I'm not working for anyone because I'm sick of all tech jobs.

> Often quit jobs myself and spend some "gap" time doing nothing

That is a privilege that not many people can afford, especially lower income workers. You're speaking from an enviable position of privilege while complaining about others having privilege. Perspective.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Everyone keeps complaining about being locked out of systems with just an email. Seriously, why do you care about this? You don't work there anymore: say goodbye to your friends over text message or email. The reason from the employer's side is obvious: knowledgeable, angry people with access to sensitive systems can wreak a lot of havoc. So take your severance and get out! Locking people out of systems is not a new…

Imagine working at a company for 16 years only to discover you were laid off when your badge no longer works on your way to work. You can say "duh, told you so" and "well you got severance so suck it up", but it does not take away from the emotional impact of losing a major part of your identity. There are many lessons for us to take away from the layoffs this year, and it helps no one to trivialize it into cold fact…

Don't make the company part of your identity! You are a disposable hired gun. People need to get real, no one ever promised these people lifelong job security and they had no business expecting it. 16 years is long enough to have survived 2008/9: if you went through that and still thought the company cared about it's employees, I have no sympathy.
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