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The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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When I was in college years ago, I knew a guy whose plan was to turn his Amazon internship into a FTE offer, work there a couple years, and then go to Google and quote "sit." It worked. Not a bad plan in the early/mid 2010s ;)

When I started 10 years earlier just being able to get paid to program was amazing. My first job in 2001 was for minimum wage. I wonder how many developers exist who wouldn't if pay wasn't so high.

We are likely about to find out. In the end this could be a good thing, shake out a lot the bootcampers and leave the people who like to code. On the downside, people like me like to code and also rest n' vest. :/

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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You work for google because you make insane money and have cachet you can take anywhere and get hired instantly. Hell, you can pull in 10 million funding for your startup idea if you like. Or just retire, get a boat, go sailing. Of course all of this had to go bad. Come on now. Stop whining already. I work in the IT sewer fighting rats. I will always have work. I'm filthy and I smell bad, but I'm doing fine, and no,…

Observing super priviliged people whining about how unfair it is to get laid off is really something.

You say that like bad things can't happen to privliged people or that it somehow doesn't suck for them when it happens.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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There's a good HL Mencken quote about the likelihood of people getting collectively smarter: "No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "

I feel quite strongly about this. Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). Therefore I believe that as our society reaches for further egalitarianism, this hi…

It's worse than that. It's not about education anymore but pure credentialism. Did you study at MIT, Harvard or Yale? Did you work at FAANG? No? Then surely you must be an idiot.

Nevermind all these difficult projects you worked on. Nevermind that your ex colleagues gave you glowing references. Nevermind all your open source projects. Nevermind that the project you led and worked on has never been hacked in 3 years in spite of having hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. It's all worthless because I don't see any fancy branding in your resume.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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"but Google has long been known as the FAANG to go to if you want to chill, coast, and ves" Is that a fact or just your perception?

It's a fact that it is the collective perception. Whether people actually get to chill is team dependent but from my understanding you can't really do 30 hour weeks at Facebook, Amazon or Netflix, but it's more possible at Google.

"Collective perception" is not meaningful evidence

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Yeah, this is bullshit. Shareholders aren't compelling this to happen. At most theyre cheering it on. This has more of a flavor of Google's 2011 "caught fixing wages and forced to pay a $300 million fine" scandal. Of course some believe that the idea that they might have done something that they have already been found guilty of in the past to be nothing more than a implausible harebrained conspiracy theory.

Not to split hares, but thank you for spelling "hairbrained" correctly.

Don’t you mean split hairs?

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Was it bad Google leadership? Or capitalist excesses? I don't believe we even live in capitalism. We live in Creditism. It is obvious tech was the beneficiary of easy money, zero interest rates and expanded monetary supply. Its no coincidence as the Fed, raises rates and tries to simultaneously drain liquidity there will be less investment in tech, and pressure on income. If you are looking for someone to blame - blame the Fed. But as we see easy money is at the expense of causing inflation.

To turn this around a bit, Maybe you are being greedy? Perhaps you really want easy money - on the backs of the poor and middle class - to subsidize our industry?

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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"Another reason that Google is wasteful is that it's too easy. The people inside it don't see it as a business as they don't have to struggle against the market forces everyone else has to deal with. Why would you when ads is so profitable?"

When the people oustide it stop seeing it as a business, then Google's goose is cooked.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Is there any publicly available commentary on what kinds of roles these big tech companies such as Google were chopping, and in what percentages? Were these layoffs mostly recruiting/HR types, various managers, marketers, etc, or programmers? Did they chop 70% of their recruiting/HR types, but closer to 1% of their techies, or vice versa? Analyzing these layoffs IMO might be best done through the lens of what kind of…

Pay attention to the upcoming earnings call on Feb 2. I bet they'll talk about some of these details. Until then, saying anything would be, I suspect, materially significant non-public information.

The company can make an official statement making it public at any time. Releasing information to the public is not restricted to earnings calls, but they generally don't have incentive to do otherwise.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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I think there are a couple of threads here...

First the layoff were a fairly obvious hamfisted way to simply appease investors. Profit margins are in-line with historical norms, 2021 was an outlier and it is insane to expect profit growth not to slow from that - the company is still wildly profitable. It really just demonstrates that the vision of being a 'unconventional' company is gone, and the vision of the executive team is just to react to whatever perceived threat is in-front of them that week (activist investors, now 'generative AI') and, of course, maximize their stock compensation.

Google 'bloat'. This is a bit undeniable but it's also unavoidable for companies Google's size. There are like eight layers of management between people who do things and people who talk about doing things. That number is probably too high but I'm not sure people have figured out a great alternative other than 'hierarchy' for directing an army of people. Honestly the best thing management can do is 'rest-and-vest' and rewrite the same vision/roadmap document/deck ten times under different names least they try to demonstrate their value by constantly re-orging and shuffling around priorities (millionaire children moving the food around their plate to make it seem eaten).

Total comp and lavish 'perks'. Google's talent is, on average, better than most other companies and it hires in very expensive areas so it's going to be more expensive. It is very clear they are moving hiring to cheaper 'discount' areas so this will likely stall/decrease. The 'perks' are heavily overstated. This is a fun fake narrative. The micro-kitichens are like bulk processed gains and cereals or faux-healthy products that manage to both be not particularly appetizing, not actually healthy (a chickpea fried in vegetable oil is still bad for you), and not expensive - so they are mostly just for show and sit there untouched. The cafe food is served in troughs again with an emphasis on the cheaper vegetable or grains upfront or the infamous kale -with a single trough with any protein at the end that they still try to partially submerge in quinoa. There are long tables where employees eat quickly and alone. It's an overtly cynical exercise to make you work longer and just like 'unlimited vacation' the dealer is clearly winning here. Same goes with travel or 'fun' budgets, all cut and now the same as any other company.

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