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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Starlink, no public IP. A bouncer has been suggested and I'm gonna look into that, cause I do have tons of compute capacity and sufficient bandwidth to handle my cloud document needs lol

Where are you located? Just for interest's sake as I don't often chat with users of Starlink

Just off the shore of Lake Winnipeg. :>

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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I'm running Nextcloud on a shared webhosting and have mounted a Hetzner storage box as external storage into it. That comes down to around 7 €/month for hosting costs, which I find fair. I'm using the Nextcloud Android client, which could be better but does its job, to sync photos from my phone to the cloud. That can also be configured quite nicely to have specific folders for uploads, that should help you with keepi…

I let Hetzner run NextCloud for me https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share It's an amazing value.

Do they allow installing any Nextcloud app of your choice? I could not find that information.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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You can but that multiplies complexity somewhat. I have spent 25 years dealing with outbound email from various things from country level ISPs down to small web apps and the only way to not die inside a little is to send via one of the larger providers (O365/Google/iCloud/Yahoo/AWS SES etc). I had to even dump Fastmail because they had delivery issues with Yahoo.

I don't agree, mailgun provides simple API and there are many similar services. Even if the desire is to use Google or O365, it's possible to do so, including AWS SES. Overall, it seems to be a minimal cost. On top of that, this is talking about self-hosting, for which the delivery is not a concern at all, the target of the emails is "yourself" (can add filters to avoid things reported to spam)

SMTP is the only API that should be considered.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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One of my fears is that Google will shut down my account because some algorithm of theirs says so, and since there is no customer support to appeal to, I'd lose my primary inbox. That would be catastrophic enough, but I'd also potentially lose access to all other accounts that use that email address for recovery or to send login links/passwords. So one of my next to-dos is to set up an email on a domain I own for these critical recovery scenarios.

I would suggest evaluating this for yourself.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

I created this account specifically to reply to this comment.

Please do not use Oracle's free tier.

I too thought the free ampere machine would have been great. Like most things, it was too good to be true. The provisioned machine sat idle and unused for a few days and was then suspended for "Abusive Activity". I must be clear that there was nothing running on it. Even if there was, I cannot find out because Oracle does not provide any network metrics and refuses to tell me specifically what their problem is. The only detail of abusive activity is:

> Traffic Details: Outbound Port Scanning, Brute-forcing, Web Exploitation, and/or DDoS. (Port 22)

Those traffic "details" could possibly be the most generic and vague explanation for suspension ever.

The only form of remediation is through the support, which is not available for always free accounts. There is no one to email, no one to call, nobody to help. I did try calling _a_ support number, but was told they could not help and I could try contacting sales(!?) who did not even get back to me. The official suggestion is to make a post on their community forum, but unsurprisingly this also went unacknowledged.

This happened well over a month ago and I have little hope this situation will change.

I had also read others' negative anecdotes on Oracle and was reluctant to believe them, now I know better.

Do not use Oracle's free tier.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Don't expect too much from Nextcloud – it will not be a 1:1 replacement for commercial services from Google, Microsoft, etc. Prepare to spend much time debugging, configuring, reading tickets, etc. If you only want files and Cloud office, consider using alternatives like Seafile[1] or the new OwnCloud rewrite in Go called OCIS[2], which are MUCH more stable than Nextcloud. [1]: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ [2]: h…

This also doesn't reflect my experience. I have very minimal issues with the Nextcloud instance that I have been running on a small fanless computer at home for several years now. It has even passed the non-technical spouse test, which is important! It is used for files storage/sharing, backups, photo backups, recipes, calendar (caldav), contact (carddav), todo lists, bookmarks, webmail (rainloop to an externally hos…

I hope it will stay this way for you. Still, the project has a ton of open issues and bugs, which haven't been addressed in months or years. You will encounter them sooner or later, if you use it for longer periods of time.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Don't expect too much from Nextcloud – it will not be a 1:1 replacement for commercial services from Google, Microsoft, etc. Prepare to spend much time debugging, configuring, reading tickets, etc. If you only want files and Cloud office, consider using alternatives like Seafile[1] or the new OwnCloud rewrite in Go called OCIS[2], which are MUCH more stable than Nextcloud. [1]: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ [2]: h…

How is your experience with the OwnCloud rewrite? Have you had any hickups? Generally faster too?

It only does a fraction of what Nextcloud does: Files and (optionally) Cloud Office (via Collabora). These two functions work very well. Reliable, fast and at a fraction of the ressource usage compared to Nextcloud. I hope OCIS will open up to Plugins/Apps like Nextcloud, so we can get Groupware and other Apps on it as well.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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How is your experience with the OwnCloud rewrite? Have you had any hickups? Generally faster too?

It only does a fraction of what Nextcloud does: Files and (optionally) Cloud Office (via Collabora). These two functions work very well. Reliable, fast and at a fraction of the ressource usage compared to Nextcloud. I hope OCIS will open up to Plugins/Apps like Nextcloud, so we can get Groupware and other Apps on it as well.

There's a public demo deployment available here: https://ocis.owncloud.com/

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

You will probably have to recreate the VMs after the initial 30 days (the disk remains, you just have to attach it). Also it has a restrictive firewall and you have to manually allow connections.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

I've been living off of fixing misconfigured mailservers for 15 years. It's really not /that/ hard.

No, the configuration is not difficult at all. It's the interactions with all the other mail servers on the internet.
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