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Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#91

Buy a Minisforum UM350. Install Linux on it. Set up Tailscale on it and all devices you want to have access to its internal services. Set up Nextcloud on it. There you go, $300 one-time cost, and you have a very powerful private server that can run all your self-hosted stuff. Via Tailscale, it can even expose some services to the public internet, if you feel the desire to do so.

Interesting, i might try this

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#92
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FWIW I'd throw my hat in the ring for Vultr as an alternative to Linode or DO. (Disclaimer I used to work there) Prices right on par with the competition, one click nextcloud, good support. And they are independent, not a subsidiary (like Linode now is of Akamai) and not VC funded (like DO)

I would second Vultr. They have some features, like BGP peering, which you won't find with Linode or DO. Admittedly it is a niche feature, but useful if you want to announce your own IP blocks.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#93
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Linode. I've been a customer for almost 15 years. Has never served me wrong.

Another vote for Linode. Everything I need, Multiple domains, E-mail for all family members and a buddy's business E-mail, and light web hosting run on a $5 Linode running basic vanilla Debian, exim4, dovecot, lighttpd.

Word of caution: If you're doing this to achieve resilience from the risk of big tech canceling your accounts and making your life difficult, moving to a VPS doesn't fully solve it. You're now at risk of VPS provider canceling your account and making your life difficult. Less likely than RandomCloudProvider, but still a risk. I'm currently experimenting with self-hosting on my own iron at home, to mitigate this. This is a bit more challenging, mostly due to your residential IP address having low-reputation among the E-mail system. It might be a good temporary fail-over solution for when you have to find a different VPS provider.

Of course home-hosting mitigates the VPS provider risk, but then you're at risk of your ISP canceling you. Unfortunately, it's "dependence on corporations" all the way down...

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#94

Gonna give another rec to DigitalOcean, we use it for work as well and haven't had any major issues.

They took away FreeBSD VPSs so I left. I'm happy at Vultr now.

I'm curious what keeps you invested in BSD. I'm not a hater or anything, and in fact I have some experience, my last Sysadmin job involved a network with almost exclusively FreeBSD servers and I had to do some fast learning on their spin.

It was objectively great, but eventually I migrated everything to Linux in order to make things more accessible to the people coming over from Windows servers, and I didn't find that things got any less stable or reliable. Of course, it might be that I'm the common factor there, for good or ill :>

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#95
Honestly I've tried all of the VPS services and they're problematic. They are barrel scraping companies generally and some services literally block their entire networks. And occasionally their data centres catch fire. And of course the moment you get a minor billing issue you find all your VMs also catch fire. Also with any VPS, don't expect to be able to send emails from it. That's not going to happen even if you manage to beg enough for them to let you send them because no one will listen to SMTP from a VPS.

If I was going to go with anyone I would use AWS. Their stuff works better than any other company I've found and also support is actually existent. But expect to pay for it.

I don't want to pay for it so I keep my DNS and static web content on S3/CloudFront/R53 and let Apple handle the cloudy shit like email, calendars etc. Both AWS and iCloud+ cost me about £4 a month in total.

Someone will own you in one way or another. Better to leverage that and have an exit plan than not leverage it and cost yourself time, money and sanity because that's the real outcome of what you want to do.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#96
I'm running Nextcloud on a shared webhosting and have mounted a Hetzner storage box as external storage into it. That comes down to around 7 €/month for hosting costs, which I find fair.

I'm using the Nextcloud Android client, which could be better but does its job, to sync photos from my phone to the cloud. That can also be configured quite nicely to have specific folders for uploads, that should help you with keeping stuff seperate with several devices.

I've no experience with the office suite to be honest, never really looked into that.

Using shared hosting will come with the benefit that you will, most likely, have custom TLD to run your mail from/to. Shared hosting also does regular backups without you taking care about that etc. etc.

I'd say you should get yourself a Hetzner "Level 4" shared webhosting for domain, mail and "root" of the Nextcloud and then mount a storage box into that. Should be around 9 €/month then.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#97
post #95

Honestly I've tried all of the VPS services and they're problematic. They are barrel scraping companies generally and some services literally block their entire networks. And occasionally their data centres catch fire. And of course the moment you get a minor billing issue you find all your VMs also catch fire. Also with any VPS, don't expect to be able to send emails from it. That's not going to happen even if you m…

You can use services like mailgun to send an email, so it's not a strict requirement

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#98
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Just get the oracle free tier. I've read my share of FUD about how bad oracle cloud supposedly is, but went ahead anyway. It's been something like 3 years, no complaints (including ~1.5 years of running their 4-core ARM/24 GiB RAM/200 GB HDD machine). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free I've used many other free tiers over the years (living in a low-income region you pretty much have to), and they make it…

I'm not going to repeat my experiences here because it's frustrating to write it out and probably annoying to hear. I can't in good conscience however, ever allow someone to recommend Oracle Cloud uncontested. If it's working for you, I'm not going to fight, but please don't recommend it, the axe of Oracle is heavy swung- even if it hasn't caught your neck yet it definitely strikes. EDIT: for those curious: https://n…

These days, OCI locks your account to "always free resources" unless you specifically undo it and you cannot provision resources that'd be outside of those bounds.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#99
post #95

Honestly I've tried all of the VPS services and they're problematic. They are barrel scraping companies generally and some services literally block their entire networks. And occasionally their data centres catch fire. And of course the moment you get a minor billing issue you find all your VMs also catch fire. Also with any VPS, don't expect to be able to send emails from it. That's not going to happen even if you m…

You can use services like mailgun to send an email, so it's not a strict requirement

You can but that multiplies complexity somewhat. I have spent 25 years dealing with outbound email from various things from country level ISPs down to small web apps and the only way to not die inside a little is to send via one of the larger providers (O365/Google/iCloud/Yahoo/AWS SES etc).

I had to even dump Fastmail because they had delivery issues with Yahoo.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#100
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is SeaFile these days? I really want something close to Dropbox, but my own drives.

Syncthing is a flawless Dropbox replacement in my experience. There's a big caveat that you need something like a NAS or your home server always online with it though as it's peer to peer sync only.

Nobody talks about conflict resolution that Dropbox does..sync thing has an issue with conflicts because of its distributed topology. Editing the same text file on multiple machines inevitably resulted in a conflict that I had to manually resolved. I’m back with Dropbox for now.
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