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1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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The fact that 1 minute of high intensity exercise (in 10 minutes of lower-intensity stuff) is as good as 50 minutes of moderate-intensity training does really put things into perspective. What I wonder now is - what if you combine both? What if you do 50 minutes of moderate exercise but intersperse that with that same 1 minute of all-out sprints? Is there a bigger benefit, or is it inconsequential? And another questi…

Note that these were untrained people. I doubt a fit person would get any response at all for such a low load.

Actually, once you get really fit, you want to decrease the high intensity. Because otherwise it increases your recovery time so much, that the amount you actually can work out is low. Almost all volume a professional endurance athlete does in addition to what a normal amateur does, is low intensity.

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It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

If you're completely out of shape, going at HIIT level intensity is also risky.

Better to build some kind of baseline before jumping into the deep end.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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In personal experience as a dedicated rock climber (traveling full time for half of the last 15 years), I can easily conclude that bursts of intense exercise accomplish a lot more for health and fitness than prolonged, more gentle workouts. Intensity readily builds muscle mass and coordinates muscle fibers, while fostering feelings of clarity and joy. It’s just the easier pathway to “being fit.”

Climbers train for intensity. One can easily convert high-intensity fitness to low-intensity but prolonged fitness. The other direction does not happen. High-intensity and short-burst fitness is more malleable, capable of becoming any type of fitness. Ie, a climber with bouldering fitness transitioning to sport climbing will take just 2-3 weeks to attain good results, while a sport climber transitioning to bouldering will take at least two months. Boulderers and sport climbers can instantly perform on multi-pitch routes, without a transitional period. The intensity gradient from intense/short to gentle/prolonged is bouldering -> sport climbing -> multi-pitch.

However, I have never been at peak climbing fitness without daily walks. The assumption I have always held is that walking resolves problems (much like what sleep accomplishes for tissues, immune responses, emotions, memory, and cognition). You’re walking, blood is flowing, the whole body is coordinated, you’re breathing through your nose, you can think… it’s integrative. Humans are designed to walk.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exercise doesn't result in changes in body mass (weight loss), unless accompanied with a diet. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/28/study-reveal... .

Yes it can. I had an injury that prevented me from cycling for over a year and slowly gained weight. It all came off after resuming a normal routine without dietary changes.

> It all came off after resuming a normal routine without dietary changes.

well, doh, if you eat the same and use less you will gain mass. It's not because (lack of) excercise, it's because diet not fitting lifestyle

Excercises help in burning more calories so you can actually eat some tasty food from time to time without getting fatter and not going crazy from eating only low calorie stuff and that's about the only effect for weight loss...

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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As others below have pointed out, the study specifically targets certain markers, and these markers do not encompass "fitness" as we would expect. I learnt the lesson a long time ago that you need to train long and low as well as short and hard, so I'd like to repost this article from Mark Twight (if anybody has a better - or more original, link, please feel free to post it): https://equipesolitaire.com/blogs/discour…

The article is directed towards elite, competitive athletes who are already in shape and have a training history. At that level, yes, of course there is more to it than a few short sprint sessions each week.

For about 15 years I've been relying on HIIT to go from being out of shape to in shape as quickly as I know how. Going from in shape to top fitness, and progressing from there is more involved, and sport specific.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But still have low cardio fitness. A healthy body needs exercise and a good diet.

Question is, how to get that "exercise". I am going to be downvoted, but I am convinced sex twice a week is more or less sufficient for the "exercise" part.

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Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

If you're completely out of shape, going at HIIT level intensity is also risky. Better to build some kind of baseline before jumping into the deep end.

It is not risky but it is hard and I rather do low intensity running 60 minutes than 8 minutes HIIT.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

such an important point here. The benefits of exercise are maximum when you start from a sedentary life. You will hit plateau at some point and then one has to re-think the plan. I am doubtful that just 10 min exercise over a few years will get you in a better shape. Another factor greatly ignored is HRV as key indicator of recovery and response to an exercise. Andrew Flatt (1) is a researcher and has been studying h…

> such an important point here. The benefits of exercise are maximum when you start from a sedentary life. You will hit plateau at some point and then one has to re-think the plan.

They call it the novice effect in strength training. Also why you have to pretty much ignore any strength training research done on untrained individuals (unless you are an untrained individual).

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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The study apparently only involved male participants. The control group consists of 6, the two treatment groups of 10 and 9 participants. The total N of the study is 25 participants. They conduct a one-way ANOVA on the interaction of time and treatment group indicators. I conclude that the study is woefully underpowered. I do not trust the apparent significance of their results.

I really don't understand statistics. My interpretation of "the study is under-powered" is that since the study has so small groups it will be difficult to find any result that is statistically significant. But wouldn't that mean that for any effect to be significant the effect size would have to be huge? My hunch is that if you have a large enough group even very small effect sizes will be significant, but in small…

short answer: its complex and there are books on the topic.

lesser-disappointing answer:

You have a hypothesis how STUFF works differently when you make an intervention (experiment, i.e. collect data, change something or go to the control group, collect more data).

Your default assumption is that your experiment won't show a meaningful difference, OR it could show a difference (positive/negative). Now what you observe may not be the reality. Which leaves you with 4 possible situations:

False-positive, true-positive, false-negative, true-negative

Most statistical methods used in data analysis take great care to minimize the probability for a false positive (probability our methods yields 'positive', when in fact there is no effect in reality. This probability is the famous 'p Value' (sometimes p Value also refers to a threshold of this probability).

So when you do certain statistical tests, you receive a p-Value, apply a threshold consideration pSo naively increasing your sample size will not lower your false-positive probability if-and-only-if your analysis method corrects for it. However the sample size strongly influences the false-negative rate, i.e. a Student t-Test with pThe criticism here about sample size does from this perspective not make too much sense, however: we need to keep in mind:

A) There is a whole field of problems about controlling variables (i.e. adding more columns to your data table). Each variable adds another dimension to your problem, and this quickly leads to a 'curse of dimensionality' problem. Is the observed effect explained by your experimental intervention, or is it in differences between your control group and your study objects (sex/gender/socioeconomic status/age/training level/ overall health). Quickly not being able to control for a variable can lead to false-positive results.

B) complexity of the method at play. The study uses ANOVA (analysis of variance). Its been years that I last looked at it so I am not making statements here.

C) Crucially: Many methods actually assume Normally-distributed data (Gaussian distribution). However, if you collect data it is rarely normally-distributed, one can use methods for normally-distributed data on non-normally-distributed data because of the "law of large numbers", i.e. mixtures of non-normally-distributed datasets typically tend to end up being normally-distributed. but this does not happen at N=10.

There are a few finer points to mention here, which is that many HN commenters have a machine-learning background and may be a bit biased against smaller-sample-size studies for multiple reasons that are specific to what they are used to in the machine-learning world. And on the other hand, from my experience majoring in biophysics, many health-related studies on sports and obesity really have low-quality stats and overestimate the predictive power of their datasets.

tl;dr: I would only conclude from this study that HIIT is better than nothing, not that it is better or worse than other cardio exercise.

PS: The above text tries to break down complex stuff and thereby by definition contains mistakes.

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