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1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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#31

How do they define fitness? It seems their definition is quite narrow. I cycle, and basically in the winter I do shorter rides more often to hit the same overall distance as I would in the summer. It's just not enjoyable for me dealing with awful road conditions and freezing hands and feet. E.g. in winter I'll do four or five 40 km rides per week, but in summer I do two or three 40 km rides and one 100+ km ride per w…

From the abstract:

> insulin sensitivity and other indices of cardiometabolic health

The word “fitness” appears nowhere in the paper’s entire summary.

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#32
Ok, guys go ahead and do it this way. I stick with my marathon training plan, "which just works"™. Of course, there are also high-intensity workouts included, but the foundation is based on "easy runs" and sightseeing with the bike. There are just no short-cuts. I call the title of the post BS.

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#33

As I understand it the body has different energy systems- one that is aerobic and takes hours over months and years to train and anaerobic that all out short efforts can train. Everything in between these two is arguably time wasted. I think the title here is misleading and looking at another comment it’s not what the paper says, “it improved insulin sensitivity and other indices of cardio-metabolic health”.

There is plenty of literature to show the body has 3 main energy systems (phosphagen, glycolytic - aka anaerobic, and mitochondrial respiration aka aerobic), and many activities are a combination of all these energy systems.

Further, doing pure anaerobic activities without warmups (which are more aerobic in nature) would increase injury risk; whilst low intensity/aerobic oriented activities have been shown to improve general health and well being, which would also be important to maintain an athlete's ability to train over a longer period of time.

So perhaps it's not as polar nor "time" wasting as you think as you think.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#34

As I understand it the body has different energy systems- one that is aerobic and takes hours over months and years to train and anaerobic that all out short efforts can train. Everything in between these two is arguably time wasted. I think the title here is misleading and looking at another comment it’s not what the paper says, “it improved insulin sensitivity and other indices of cardio-metabolic health”.

I’m sorry but this makes no sense:

> the body has different energy systems- one that is aerobic and takes hours over months and years to train and anaerobic that all out short efforts can train. Everything in between these two is arguably time wasted.

The body does indeed have aerobic and anaerobic energy systems but any chronic physiological adaptations to any exercise takes time.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#35
post #24

The study apparently only involved male participants. The control group consists of 6, the two treatment groups of 10 and 9 participants. The total N of the study is 25 participants. They conduct a one-way ANOVA on the interaction of time and treatment group indicators. I conclude that the study is woefully underpowered. I do not trust the apparent significance of their results.

Every time I see a study with a big headline, it almost always has double digit participants.

Very callous behavior.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#36
post #24

The study apparently only involved male participants. The control group consists of 6, the two treatment groups of 10 and 9 participants. The total N of the study is 25 participants. They conduct a one-way ANOVA on the interaction of time and treatment group indicators. I conclude that the study is woefully underpowered. I do not trust the apparent significance of their results.

I really don't understand statistics. My interpretation of "the study is under-powered" is that since the study has so small groups it will be difficult to find any result that is statistically significant. But wouldn't that mean that for any effect to be significant the effect size would have to be huge?

My hunch is that if you have a large enough group even very small effect sizes will be significant, but in small groups only the very largest effect sizes will be significant. Or am I simply bad at statistics?

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#37

It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

Or you just eat less, which is probably going to change your body mass without exercise :-)

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#38

It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

such an important point here. The benefits of exercise are maximum when you start from a sedentary life. You will hit plateau at some point and then one has to re-think the plan.

I am doubtful that just 10 min exercise over a few years will get you in a better shape.

Another factor greatly ignored is HRV as key indicator of recovery and response to an exercise. Andrew Flatt (1) is a researcher and has been studying his cardio fitness through HRV for over 10 years. His observation is 10 sec high intensity + 50 sec break in between for 10 minutes improved his hrv. He also thinks 15000 steps contribute to better HRV as good as athlete level.

While there are plenty of questions about 10k steps, what if 15k steps do the trick?

In general, I think since HRV and VO2 max are trackable using hand-held and would be best parameters to track usefulness of an exercise over time. It is always likely that an exercise works at some point and doesn't at other. Possibly because you are more fit now or you have other life stresses dragging you down.

In my experience, a lot of these studies are not reproducible. Because every person is different and context is different too. Genetics add another layer to this. Best is to keep track of your own parameters and try things out.

References: [1] https://hrvtraining.com/

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#39
post #37

It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

Or you just eat less, which is probably going to change your body mass without exercise :-)

But still have low cardio fitness. A healthy body needs exercise and a good diet.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

#40

It's 8 minutes, not one minute The people in the study were out of shape to start with The improved measures were insulin sensitivity index, peak oxygen uptake, and "skeletal muscle mitochondrial content" No change in body mass In conclusion, if you're out of shape, you can improve a limited number of fitness measures just as much doing 3x8 minutes of higher intensity exercise as much 3×45m less intense exercise over…

I think it was 10 minutes in total: 2min warmup 20sec max effort 2min recovery 20sec max effort 2min recovery 20sec max effort 3min cooldown

You’re right, I can’t count
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