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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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in unrelated news - https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/23/solarwinds-hackers-targete... ;) /humor

Next time my server is down I'll blame the Russians and Chinese too.

If your org was hacked by the Russians/Chinese and was a national safety system, then you might be right to start there.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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What embarrasses you about it, esp compared with more modern systems? This seems like the kind of critical infrastructure whose uptime requirements can make upgrading challenging once in place.

Others have said it better. If you google 'notams are broken', numerous results will show up explaining various problems with the NOTAM system. Edit: Here's a good one - https://fixingnotams.org/ending-notam-nonsense-in-the-digita... A general inefficiency example using two airpots I often have in mind: IAH and JFK. In IAH, traffic is spaced out in cruise well before the arrival begins, where they're burning much les…

This whole comment seems like a charming case of advanced Dunning-Kruger. You sound very confident in your assessment, but then it seems you are honestly suggesting that NYC TRACON controllers are being inefficient on purpose… for what? Fun times? You said it yourself— it is a busier airspace. The approach and departure spacing of EWR, JFK, LGA and TEB— not to mention the changeable airspace restrictions over parts of NYC itself and managing GA traffic into and out of the Hudson River Corridor— makes a simple single hundred mile long elephant walk to your preferred runway at JFK logistically untenable. Not to mention potential conflicting traffic from smaller airports in Connecticut and Long Island… And just a gentle reminder that as pilot in that airspace you have precisely one small piece of the big picture when it comes to being aware of exactly how complicated that can be for the ATC personal.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#223
post #47

Why do all aviation IT systems feel like they are so fragile? It feels like not a single month can pass these days without some "Airline X has major outage and ruins tons of people's days!" story on the news. What is the tech behind these frail systems?

When was the last time NOTAMs went down? It seems remarkably resilient actually.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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post #113

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They are also for notifying pilots of potential caution areas. I used to operate a 550+ meter tower and when I had a tower light out, I had to file a NOTAM.

(Holy cow, just did remedial maths: 550m is a Large Number! Would like to know more details.)

The tower was used by a TV station to broadcast their channels. You can see the curvature of the earth at the top when it's a clear day.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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post #196

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Your belief isn't evidence, and you shouldn't present it as such.

A vague statement from the FAA isn't evidence either, just like a statement from the CDC not to buy masks isn't evidence they don't work to protect against a virus. And I'm not claiming I have any evidence other than publicly observable patterns relating to both technical glitches and government transparency. I'm speculating, based on the fact that technical glitches usually occur more than once every 21 years (or ev…

"based on the fact that technical glitches usually occur more than once every 21 years (or even less frequently, since 9/11 grounding was not due to a technical glitch), and that government agencies often lie to the public, that the FAA is not telling the whole truth"

Prove these are facts.

The reason I don't respect your opinion is because you don't know the difference between an opinion and facts and i don't like people like you lying on Hacker News.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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For anyone looking for previous FAA outages: In 2014, an U-2 plane’s flight plan crashed LAX’s ERAM system because the system ran out of memory. https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/FAA%20Actions%20...

Why do secretive spy planes need to file flight plans?

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Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#227
post #60

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All hyper optimized systems become fragile until they collapse. The NOTAM system is ridiculous, no surprise it collapsed ... you can lose your ticket for flying thru a MOA that went active AFTER you took off. What could possibly go wrong with a "push" notification system for every tiny little detail of aerospace scheduling? No force is as destructive as the good idea fairy.

MOAs aren’t the same as restricted areas. You can fly in them if you want.

The risk of air-to-air collision goes up. Activities are supposed to stop when non-participants unwisely enter. Doing so may be impossible on short notice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Moncks_Corner_mid-air_col...

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#228
post #136

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100%. As a GA pilot who mostly flies under IFR, the NOTAM system is borderline useless to me. For every warning about an approach being altered or a runway closed, there are 100s of "birds invof airport" or "unlit crane 50' AGL 5 miles from the field" NOTAMs. And even for the relevant NOTAMs, Foreflight will highlight them for approaches etc and ATC won't send you to a closed runway or taxiway.

Seems like it's the sort of thing that's borderline useless right up until the moment it's absolutely essential. Like the smoke alarms in my house, which are actually wired up to mains so don't technically need a battery, but they still have to have a battery in them and will give high pitched chirps ever few minutes when the battery is dead. And since there's so many in the house, and the chirp only comes every few…

Your analogy is way off. If smoke alarms worked like NOTAMs, they’d go off every time someone strikes a match, lights the fireplace, turns on the gas cooktop, uses a hair dryer, or plugs in any appliance. Oh yes, when the house is on fire too. All have non-zero risk of inferno.

NOTAMs are full of pages and pages of goop — inconsistent, impossible to accurately filter, hard to read, at times unclear, and mostly noise.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

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post #133

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Nit: it's just "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine

Double nit: this was not a misuse the deprecated term "The Ukraine" but the correct use of 'the' attaching to "Ukrainian one" referring to the NOTAM basically telling everyone to remain clear of Ukrainian airspace.

Whoops - yup, I jumped the gun there.

Re: FAA NOTAM System Outage

#230
post #133

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Nit: it's just "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine

Try replacing it in the sentence - it doesn't work, "the" is modifying "one" not Ukraine. I suppose it could have been written "the Ukrainian one" but the the would still be there.

Whoops - yup, I jumped the gun there.
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