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Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #60

I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

Aside from licensing, usability studies show that serif fonts are more legible than sans serif fonts, so I have no idea where they came up with the idea that somehow they're harder to read for people with disabilities when all prior research I'm aware of has shown the opposite.

I vaguely remember something about there being a difference on printed paper vs screens when it comes to serifs. But also, aren't most aircraft controls labeled in something like Futura? I believe the Apollo program and other aerospace studies decided that was the most legible.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Do you think Anthony Blinken knows what a licensed or unlicensed font is?

Do you think that Anthony Blinken came up with the idea of using Calibri?

I mean, that's not implausible. This sounds like exactly what would happen if one person had a specific font preference and happened to be in charge.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#73

I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

Your average person doing office work already has access to the font. There’s nothing dumb about reading the room

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#74
post #56

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8.5”x11” is a standard size for the US and Canada, but not for the rest of the world. Which leads to the eternal problems for any NGOs or contractors working for the US government overseas who have to source Letter size for US gov partners and A4 for local partners!

Yep. Every time I have to renew my Australian passport I have to buy a ream of A4 paper. Every time I forget where last time's ream was stored. I suspect someday I'll find thousands of sheets somewhere lost in my basement.

Deep within your subconscious memories is a series of you unloading A4 from your printer, thinking about where to best store it, finding 20 reams already there, stacking this one on top, and then promptly forgetting the location.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #2

Calibri is Microsoft-encumbered, no? Shame they didn't use a free font like Liberation Sans.

They'd have to install that font to every machine, and Calibri is already there.

There are libre fonts with the same metrics as Calibri. Ditto with Arial and Times.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #40

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Am I being thick, or does a screen reader not care what the font is?

One of our employees is blind, and screen readers (JAWS is what he uses) can be fairly finicky. For a case where you are looking at or editing the document in MS Word it doesn't matter, since if the text is readily accessible it will ignore the font. However, in something like a pdf or image it needs to OCR the text, and certain fonts are easier to read. I happen to know this because we ended up needing to rework our…

There are PDF's to embed OCR info on it.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?

My browser renders this in sans serif, but adds serifs to I. I'm on firefox/linux and it's defaulting to the css `sans-serif` and I don't have the energy to research how to find what that defaults to right now.

Defaults on Firefox are all from DejaVu family: https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/

Mozilla has a custom font for their branding called Zilla Slab, but I believe that's only serif.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #44

Allegedly during Colin Powell’ time at the State Department there was quite an ordeal to change paper sizes for communication between offices: https://www.govexec.com/magazine/2001/06/the-powell-leadersh... “correspondence between headquarters and overseas embassies, known as Diplomatic Notes, for years had to be accompanied by a legal-size (8 1/2-inch by 14-inch) cover sheet. That wasn't really a big deal when the n…

And still not even A4

A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#80
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8.5”x11” is a standard size for the US and Canada, but not for the rest of the world. Which leads to the eternal problems for any NGOs or contractors working for the US government overseas who have to source Letter size for US gov partners and A4 for local partners!

Yep. Every time I have to renew my Australian passport I have to buy a ream of A4 paper. Every time I forget where last time's ream was stored. I suspect someday I'll find thousands of sheets somewhere lost in my basement.

Just buy a printer with two paper trays and reserve one for A4 paper. Problem solved!
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