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Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?

This is part of why some important government reports still use all caps. It's also a leftover from the telegraph era. INTELLIGENCE REPORT FOR THE PRESIDENT STATE DEPARTMENT SECRET/NOFORN JANUARY 18 2023 CONTENTS: 1. POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION 2. PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM 3. TURKEY AND NATO

Why are you yelling at me?

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#42

How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?

This is part of why some important government reports still use all caps. It's also a leftover from the telegraph era. INTELLIGENCE REPORT FOR THE PRESIDENT STATE DEPARTMENT SECRET/NOFORN JANUARY 18 2023 CONTENTS: 1. POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION 2. PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM 3. TURKEY AND NATO

Skeuomorphism is a strong impulse.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#44
Allegedly during Colin Powell’ time at the State Department there was quite an ordeal to change paper sizes for communication between offices: https://www.govexec.com/magazine/2001/06/the-powell-leadersh...

“correspondence between headquarters and overseas embassies, known as Diplomatic Notes, for years had to be accompanied by a legal-size (8 1/2-inch by 14-inch) cover sheet. That wasn't really a big deal when the notes were drafted on typewriters. But Ted Strickler, head of State's Office of Foreign Missions, found that since the introduction of the desktop computer, his employees were spending a lot of extra time formatting the notes and fiddling with the paper in the printer. He checked to see whether he could use standard 8 1/2-inch by 11-inch paper for the Diplomatic Notes, instead. He was told to submit a formal action memorandum suggesting the change. Strickler submitted the suggestion to his superiors in January 1999. A year went by. He found out his action memorandum had been lost, so he resubmitted it. In early 2001-two years after he recommended the change in the first place-the department approved the use of standard paper. "If anything so innocuous as changing the size of the paper for Diplomatic Notes was so exceedingly difficult, how difficult would it be to make more important changes?" Strickler says.“

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#45

Hmm. Are serif fonts beginning to die out altogether, actually? I definitely feel like I see a lot more sans serif than I used to.

I think design trends ebb and flow. We're currently in a period of strong minimalism. But sooner or later some designers will start using serif typefaces in order to stand out and the trend will reverse.

The last decade was strongly minimalist in terms of design, while this one is showing the opposite direction in many ways.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Results showed a small, but significant advantage in response times for words written in a sans serif font." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20445911.2011.5... "Sans serif, monospaced and roman font styles significantly improved the reading performance over serif, proportional and italic fonts." https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/2513383.2513447 and here a whole book about that question https://library.…

That last link (the book) is a fantastic literature review, but every chapter basically concludes that despite some results going each way, there is no statistically significant readability difference between sans serif and serif typefaces, whether on paper or on screen, or whether the reader has various disabilities.

I had a laugh about that.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Calibri is Microsoft-encumbered, no? Shame they didn't use a free font like Liberation Sans.

What you see as "Microsoft-encumbered," they may see as "default font in Outlook so just go with the font that'll get used anyway."

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#48

I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

Do you think Anthony Blinken knows what a licensed or unlicensed font is?

I happen to know this because it was a recent crossword puzzle answer, but it's Antony (no "h").

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#49

How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?

My browser renders this in sans serif, but adds serifs to I. I'm on firefox/linux and it's defaulting to the css `sans-serif` and I don't have the energy to research how to find what that defaults to right now.

I would imagine that it isn't changing font for the l specifically but just has a sans font that includes a tail on the l. This text box that I'm using, for instance, is Dejavu Sans Mono which does exactly that.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#50
post #15

Th.. that announcement is in Arial... (Edit: and Helvetica)

Looks more like Helvetica. For example, look at the leg on the capital R.

Ah, yes. It's actually both - the subject at the top is Arial, but the body is Helvetica.
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