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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Interesting that the memo claims that sans serif fonts are preferred to serif fonts for screen reader users and people with disabilities. I thought the exact opposite was true. Is there any definitive research on which type of font is more accessible?

Am I being thick, or does a screen reader not care what the font is?

I wouldn't expect it would make a difference either, but the memo made this claim

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liberation Sans would be so on brand for the USA too

The Microsoft empire is bigger than several nation states. IBM research used to examine UX. The IBM top brass deciding to pay over $35B+ for a UNIX-like when they have an authentic UNIX of their very own which is going to a boneyard in India suggests that kind of UX research isn't front of mind and funded to decide which font is best.

Buying Red Hat was just to acquire customers . Generally if you don’t really want the product the business / tech then you acquire patents , customers and people. For patents you can sue other competitors.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#53
post #9

Interesting that the memo claims that sans serif fonts are preferred to serif fonts for screen reader users and people with disabilities. I thought the exact opposite was true. Is there any definitive research on which type of font is more accessible?

"Results showed a small, but significant advantage in response times for words written in a sans serif font." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20445911.2011.5... "Sans serif, monospaced and roman font styles significantly improved the reading performance over serif, proportional and italic fonts." https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/2513383.2513447 and here a whole book about that question https://library.…

Dyslexia associations have recommended Comic Sans as a font that allows for easier reading comprehension. Experts say that opposition to Comic Sans is ableist: https://www.thecut.com/2020/08/the-reason-comic-sans-is-a-pu...

I, for one, think all State Dept cables should henceforth be transmitted in Comic Sans, so as to provide maximum accessibility.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#54
I imagine this memo reading like that one in Snow Crash about the inter-office toilet paper sharing system, and employees dutifully reading the memo for exactly X number of minutes to ensure their computer's tracking software notes that they've read the article for the appropriate amount of time.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#55
post #44

Allegedly during Colin Powell’ time at the State Department there was quite an ordeal to change paper sizes for communication between offices: https://www.govexec.com/magazine/2001/06/the-powell-leadersh... “correspondence between headquarters and overseas embassies, known as Diplomatic Notes, for years had to be accompanied by a legal-size (8 1/2-inch by 14-inch) cover sheet. That wasn't really a big deal when the n…

And still not even A4

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#56
post #44

Allegedly during Colin Powell’ time at the State Department there was quite an ordeal to change paper sizes for communication between offices: https://www.govexec.com/magazine/2001/06/the-powell-leadersh... “correspondence between headquarters and overseas embassies, known as Diplomatic Notes, for years had to be accompanied by a legal-size (8 1/2-inch by 14-inch) cover sheet. That wasn't really a big deal when the n…

8.5”x11” is a standard size for the US and Canada, but not for the rest of the world. Which leads to the eternal problems for any NGOs or contractors working for the US government overseas who have to source Letter size for US gov partners and A4 for local partners!

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#57

I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #56
post #44

Allegedly during Colin Powell’ time at the State Department there was quite an ordeal to change paper sizes for communication between offices: https://www.govexec.com/magazine/2001/06/the-powell-leadersh... “correspondence between headquarters and overseas embassies, known as Diplomatic Notes, for years had to be accompanied by a legal-size (8 1/2-inch by 14-inch) cover sheet. That wasn't really a big deal when the n…

8.5”x11” is a standard size for the US and Canada, but not for the rest of the world. Which leads to the eternal problems for any NGOs or contractors working for the US government overseas who have to source Letter size for US gov partners and A4 for local partners!

Yep. Every time I have to renew my Australian passport I have to buy a ream of A4 paper. Every time I forget where last time's ream was stored. I suspect someday I'll find thousands of sheets somewhere lost in my basement.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

#60

I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

Aside from licensing, usability studies show that serif fonts are more legible than sans serif fonts, so I have no idea where they came up with the idea that somehow they're harder to read for people with disabilities when all prior research I'm aware of has shown the opposite.
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