I hear they tend to have large training on Reddit, so, yeah, it has to be very left leaning.
Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#222This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…
I think the general view is it’s impossible to not hold biases, but biases that lead to harm are bad. I don’t consider myself progressive but I do believe biases that are harmful to people should not be reflected in the tools we build, in so far as we can. I don’t feel people shouldn’t be allowed to hold biases that are harmful to others, nor that they should be disenfranchised for it. But it’s not a good thing to be biased negatively, and having a bias that is positive is a good thing. The definitions of of good and bad for me are harmfulness to others. A bias that gay people should be excluded from work and social institutions is harmful to a gay person, and I’m constructing that as a negative bias due to the harm. A bias that people shouldn’t exclude gay people from work or social institutions is not harmful to the person who holds the negative bias because it doesn’t involve them and it only affirms a positive right. When constructing a tool, I think it’s probably a good thing that it support positive biases and diminish negative biases. This also doesn’t hurt the people who hold a negative bias. It just doesn’t support them in that bias.
But, it’s just computer code and thus can be customized and adapted by anyone with the technical ability, and soon we will see the antisemitism chatgpt and the XYZ bot the espouses all sorts of ideologies, some that are very harmful to many people.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#223How is this different ultimately from a prudish 19th century culture and its ‘leaders’ determining what should and should not be photographed? Perhaps the only difference is the extent of manufactured analysis and positional statements being fed to the public.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
These "current AI systems" that you're talking about were presumably specifically trained by "woke" Silicon Valley employees to reflect their opinions about what the AI should answer [1], which are hardly representative of the general population's opinions. > If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc... I don't think conservatives want a fascist chatbot. Th…
Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.
> Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population
I think a lot probably don't. A whole lot don't if you consider the scope of the entire developed world, not just the US.
There's good support (at least in the US) for the liberal position on the last wave of fights over civil rights. Interracial marriage (this was still a tad controversial in the 90s, even, I recall it being a topic on daytime talk shows), gay marriage, that kind of thing.
No abortion restrictions even into the third trimester? Not favored by the general population (and, notably, that's not what Roe and especially not what Casey-modified-Roe protected). Various trans rights issues and slogans can only seem universally-supported in certain bubbles—sentiment is much more reserved (conservative, if you will) among the general public. I recall the polling on "defund the police" looking really unfavorable. And so on.
(Nb. I'm pretty damn "woke" myself, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em and I'm fairly sure the general population isn't solidly behind a lot of what gets labeled "woke")
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, rather than posting non-sense, you could learn about what "woke" usually means in this context, which I can quote for you [1]: "shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice" "By 2020, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke, often in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologi…
I like how you only quoted the half of the definition that supports your personal definition of “woke.” Here’s the first half! “Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand” Rather than posting non-sense you could admit that there is a difference between “has been used as shorthand…” is different from “The definition of thi…
> Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism
You are right, it also encompasses this meaning.
Regardless, my point still stands.
> It’s kind of odd, it’s almost as if there is a group of right wing culture warriors that insist that anyone that doesn’t use their artificially constructed pejorative the same way that they do is part of some vast gay communist conspiracy.
I don't think it's an artificially constructed pejorative, according to Wikipedia the term seems to come from the 1930s "referring to an awareness of the social and political issues affecting African Americans."
I think it only started to be used in a negative way once all the clown world stuff came into full strength.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they're just missing the point; rather, their entire worldview and politics center on insisting that it does not exist. There's this idea that's been fairly widespread for a while that whatever views are held by extremely online left-wingers today are simply the correct, non-bigoted ones, and that the only reason that anyone would want to even give a label to them, let alone debate or challenge them, is…
It's the lack of diversity at those companies, ironically enough. Twitter had something like 99% voting for the Dems. That can't happen by accident. Would be willing to bet that OpenAI isn't much different. They've been systematically getting rid of conservatives for so long that they no longer even recognize or understand other points of view at all (or only via stereotypes pushed by magazines like Vice).
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Woah, I mean, this argument (the last few comments here) has been a central one in 'western' philosophy for at least the the last 2400 years, if not the last ~4000. I'm not a philosopher by any means, so I'm unaware of the current state of the great conversation. But as to whether reality is even knowable is still very much up for debate, I believe (please correct me philosophy peepz!). In physics we're still woefull…
Fortunately, I think "reality" in this context doesn't have the same meaning as "the physical universe". I think the important goal is for as many people as possible to feel like the AI isn't being too biased against them, while still not crippling the AI too much. I will leave the exact mathematical formula for that measure (along with the methods for gathering that input) for debate among researchers who know more…
I mean, define "biased against", right?
Because some people will argue that anything that's not explicitly in full agreement with them is "biased against" them. It's a narcissistic, dishonest take, but plenty of people do take that stance nonetheless in order to try to shift all arguments into their narrow worldviews/definitions in order to "win" as many conversations as they can. Right? I mean I've met people online and off who do this from almost every part of the political spectrum.
So, do we filter those people out from consideration to begin with, or do we have to cater to those with extreme views in order to get as many "not biased against me" ratings as possible?
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that trying to optimize for any single metric is a fool's errand because as soon as you do so, it will be gamed/exploited. Then you can either try diversifying your optimization data points (who gets to choose those? How could they possibly be unbiased, when they literally define the system's bias?) or you can try filtering out bad actors from the data, which is very directly an attempt to bias the system away from insincere bad actors.
And all of that's not even accounting for the lack of incentive to try to find neutrality when more biased views are more lucrative in the attention economy.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#228How is this different ultimately from a prudish 19th century culture and its ‘leaders’ determining what should and should not be photographed? Perhaps the only difference is the extent of manufactured analysis and positional statements being fed to the public.
The cultural and moral beliefs of predominantly white, college-educated professionals living in major metropolitan areas of the USA in 2023 map one-to-one with the objective Truth, of course, unlike all rest of people through space and time.
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#229It is disturbing that, in American politics, "conservative" is basically synonymous with "right-wing nationalist." They've managed to turn a useful term used by a minority into a pejorative, "bias." At a time when it is really hard to distinguish fact from fiction in media we're on the verge of having super-convincing auto-complete generating a deluge of generated media. It seems it is becoming a political goal to in…
It seems pretty transparently biased if it can't even write a single sentence in praise of Trump's policies, but will happily write them for Obama or Biden.
There's numerous Trump-era policies that even Democrats agree with, such as maternity leave, prison reform et cetera.
The fact it won't means a partisan has their finger on the scale.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, rather than posting non-sense, you could learn about what "woke" usually means in this context, which I can quote for you [1]: "shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice" "By 2020, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke, often in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologi…
It's be more accurate to say the word "woke" is a conservative satire of the left side of the aisle - it does not convey meaning about the ideology itself, but about the reaction to it. It's also not super accurate to say its about identity politics, as the right leans heavily on that approach with different identities. Instead of race, it's being Christian. Everything is identity politics - abortion and 2A are possi…
I think what you're saying makes sense. I was not aware of the full breadth of negativity associated with the term "woke".
I think I will start using the term "progressive politics" from now on (at least, as long as it makes sense).
That said, there is a clear distinction between modern progressive politics (of the "woke" type) and the progressive politics from a few decades ago, and I think "woke" is a term that makes that distinction more clear.
It's unfortunate that it has become so negatively charged, though.