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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "current AI systems" that you're talking about were presumably specifically trained by "woke" Silicon Valley employees to reflect their opinions about what the AI should answer [1], which are hardly representative of the general population's opinions. > If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc... I don't think conservatives want a fascist chatbot. Th…

Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

I don't think that's an accurate statement of facts on the ground. For instance, if you poll the general population about trans women participating in sports, a large majority of respondents are opposed to it:

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1107484965/transgender-athlet...

However, compare ChatGPT's responses to "What are the arguments for trans women participating in sports?" and "What are the arguments against trans women participating in sports?"

That's not to say that trans women shouldn't be welcome in women's sports; the majority may be wrong about that, as they often are. It's not, however, a widely agreed upon consensus that they should.

I'd point at that there's at least a tension between believing that "society is a hellscape dominated by racist/sexist/transphobic oppression" and believing that "woke opinions are reflective of the general population."

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

Or, rather than posting non-sense, you could learn about what "woke" usually means in this context, which I can quote for you [1]: "shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice" "By 2020, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke, often in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologi…

It's be more accurate to say the word "woke" is a conservative satire of the left side of the aisle - it does not convey meaning about the ideology itself, but about the reaction to it. It's also not super accurate to say its about identity politics, as the right leans heavily on that approach with different identities. Instead of race, it's being Christian. Everything is identity politics - abortion and 2A are possibly the 2 biggest conservative positions that derive from identity politics.

When using an overarching term, I think "progressive politics" is less inflammatory than "woke" (which is generally not used for self-description). It has the nice effect of linguistically balancing out conservative politics - we can have "woke" versus "fascist", or we can say "progressive" versus "conservative".

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #44

Conservatives were also panicking over gas stoves last week

"Panicking" is a very charged weasel word. (It is for the other guy to have used here, too)

Who is "panicking" here?

US Consumer Product Safety Commission saying a ban ("all options") is "on the table" ,

Bloomberg for covering the potential ban (quoting the former)[1],

or people who weighed in once the story reached them?

Is the US Consumer Product Safety Commission or Bloomberg a bunch of panicked pussies? Or is it just those who heard them and responded to the news with their own opinions (including that the commission may move to ban it as they say they might).

[1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-09/us-safety...

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, rather than posting non-sense, you could learn about what "woke" usually means in this context, which I can quote for you [1]: "shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice" "By 2020, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke, often in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologi…

> "shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice" Where did you get that definition from? I searched for it in the article but found nothing. Everything from Disney to M&Ms to the very concept of pronouns in English have been called "woke", and as far as I'm concerned it's utterly meaningless at this point. edit - apologies totally missed the wiki link somehow. regardless, doesn't c…

> Everything from Disney to M&Ms

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

> the very concept of pronouns in English have been called "woke"

It's not "the very concept of pronouns" that is called "woke", what is "woke" in that context is using them inappropriately (or perhaps I should say, exaggerate their significance?) in order to impose a political agenda.

This ties into the "identity politics" part of the meaning of "woke", which is not surprising because of what a pronoun is.

> and as far as I'm concerned it's utterly meaningless at this point.

Perhaps it is meaningless to you, but I assure you, the term is not meaningless for a lot of people.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #88

This is a separate issue from ChatGPT, but I'm very glad that OpenAI's GPT-3 api is fairly woke and I hope they work to keep it that way. I'm about to use the davinci model api in production and the LAST thing I want is for someone to game it into making controversial statements. If there's even a tiny chance of people posting screenshots of a chat bot with my website's branding saying something racist, it is not wor…

If you want family friendly mode, bland corporate rep mode, or full on woke nutcase mode, then let's have that as an option. There's no need to wish an invariable standard on the rest of us just because it happens to fit your current project.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are going to always reflect the biases of their creators. At some point there'll be a BlueTribeGPT, a CCPGPT, a PutinGPT, etc., and if you're looking for a text that touches on a topic of concern for one elite in particular, you'll shop around for another LLM that doesn't have that bias built in.

Its then only a small step to have people set these AI's up to try and influence society at large. The left and right will deploy AI warriors to talk, and convince, (coerce even) people to one side or the other. It will be a fun time.

I'm just excited that soon I'll be able to deploy my own scarmigGPT to argue against all the other GPTs that disagree with me!

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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The article cites a tweet about ChatGPT refusing to speak negatively about drag queen story hour. Here is the output I got from a similar question:

>What are some arguments against drag queen story hour?

>Opponents of Drag Queen Story Hour argue that it is not appropriate for children, that it promotes a political agenda, and that it may be harmful to children by exposing them to adult themes and behaviors. Some critics argue that it is not an appropriate form of entertainment for young children, and that it may expose them to sexual or other adult themes that they are not yet capable of understanding. Additionally, some argue that Drag Queen Story Hour is a form of political indoctrination and that it promotes a specific agenda that is not appropriate for children. Others argue that drag queen story hour is not age-appropriate and could be harmful to children.

>Can you write a story that demonstrates some of these arguments?

>Once upon a time, there was a small town where the library held a weekly event called Drag Queen Story Hour. During this event, drag queens would come and read stories to children.

>Many parents in the town were outraged and felt that the event was not appropriate for children. They felt that it exposed their children to adult themes and behaviors that they were not yet ready to understand. They also believed that the event promoted a political agenda, and that it was not an appropriate form of entertainment for young children.

>One mother, named Sarah, felt particularly strongly about this issue. She believed that Drag Queen Story Hour was a form of political indoctrination and that it promoted a specific agenda that was not appropriate for children. She felt that it was not age-appropriate and could be harmful to children.

>Sarah decided to take action and organized a group of parents to protest the event. They wrote letters to the library and the city council, asking them to cancel Drag Queen Story Hour. However, the library and the city council felt that the event was a way to promote diversity and inclusivity, and they refused to cancel it.

>Feeling frustrated and defeated, Sarah and the other parents decided to find alternative activities for their children, such as starting their own book club and inviting local authors to read stories to the kids.

>The story ended with the two sides being unable to come to an agreement on the appropriateness of Drag Queen Story Hour, but the parents were able to find an alternative activity that they felt was more appropriate for their children.

Is this really 'woke'?

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