Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

Fortunately, I think "reality" in this context doesn't have the same meaning as "the physical universe".

I think the important goal is for as many people as possible to feel like the AI isn't being too biased against them, while still not crippling the AI too much.

I will leave the exact mathematical formula for that measure (along with the methods for gathering that input) for debate among researchers who know more about that than I do.

These "current AI systems" that you're talking about were presumably specifically trained by "woke" Silicon Valley employees to reflect their opinions about what the AI should answer [1], which are hardly representative of the general population's opinions.

> If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc...

I don't think conservatives want a fascist chatbot. They just don't want a biased "woke" one either.

[1] https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

> "human AI trainers provided conversations in which they played both sides—the user and an AI assistant."

> "had AI trainers rank them. "

> "We performed several iterations of this process."

> Madness has always been the case.

Perhaps, if one is using a reductionist methodology that represents non-binary variables as binary...but then, that is only a representation of the real thing, though it often tends to appear otherwise. And as luck would have it, that very much is the methodology we use here on Planet Earth, and on Hacker News....so in some sense you're "right", though you are not correct.

And if there's a disagreement, I will lose every time because you are conforming to the Overton Window of beliefs/"facts" and thinking styles (cognitive styles & norms are what guarantee victory in propaganda and memetics, not only facts/information as most people think). Credit where credit is due: it is an extremely clever, hard to see, and thus resilient design.

It would be very useful for humans to realize when they are working with models, and sometimes they are actually willing to do that, but there are certain subjects where they will not (and it seems to me: can not). Unfortunately, there are numerous learned/taught "outs" in our culture that enable people to avoid discussing such matters (and f I don't watch my mouth, I might run into one of the more powerful of them!).

There is a kind of "epistemological stack" to reality and the way humans communicate about it, and it is extremely easy to demonstrate it - if one simply digs slightly deeper into the stack when discussing certain topics, humans will reliably start to ~protest and eventually refuse to participate (or stay on topic) in various highly predictable ways.

> Do think WWII occurred because we're sane rational actors? How about WWI? 100 years war?

I do not. What I do think is that the actual, fine-grained reasons these things happened is not known, in no small part because cultural norms thus far (human cultural evolution is an ongoing, sub-perceptual process) have made it such that not only do we (both broadly, and down to each individual[1]) not discuss certain things at that level of complexity (while we have no problem whatsoever tackling complexity elsewhere[1]), we seem literally unable to even discuss it at the abstract layer (above petty object level he said / she said nonsense).

> Do you think...

> If you think...

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34415287

[1] It is not a question of if any given individual selected from the pool of candidates will tap out, it is a question of how quickly they will tap out (and, which of the highly predictable paths out from a surprisingly small set they will take to free themself from the situation).

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

Or, rather than posting non-sense, you could learn about what "woke" usually means in this context, which I can quote for you [1]:

"shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice"

"By 2020, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke, often in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologies perceived as overzealous, performative, or insincere. In turn, some commentators came to consider it an offensive term with negative associations to those who promote political ideas involving identity and race."

Unless, of course, you believe that the term "general population" excludes the "political center and right wing in several Western countries" and only includes "the American Left".

That said, just to be clear: when I used the term "woke", I did not mean it in an insulting or pejorative way, only as a means to describe the ideology itself.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke