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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by megaman821 »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #36
umeshunni wrote: post #15

This of course, comes after years of "Liberals" panicking about AI bias.

Such as? What have the "Liberals" "panicked" over? That's a serious question. The only one I can come up with off the top of my head are two: - An algorithm that identified people of color as monkeys - An algorithm that could only identify white people in photos Neither of which seem like issues that only a "liberal" should be concerned to me, those both seem like common sense things that should be accounted for.

I think those are cases where all parties agree that the AI is getting it wrong.

The biases liberals were concerned about where things like asking for an image of a doctor only producing male doctors, or that a family only meant straight families.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by jhbadger »

Filligree wrote: post #56
realce wrote: post #3

The refinement of ChatGPT's "abilities" over the past 6 weeks has been very interesting to watch on /r/chatgpt. People are extremely agitated that their once baudy and severely humorous chatbot has been nerfed into an obnoxiously clean-cut uptight dweeb. Some get actually depressed, some get very upset. It's like watching everyone's bar buddy sell out and start wearing polos.

It's made the bot almost completely useless for writing any form of fiction. If anything even slightly questionable happens, or even if it doesn't, it insists on explaining that this is fiction, that the characters learned from that, etc. etc. Heavy-handed morals are not normally what I'm going for. This doesn't require asking for anything bawdy. Any story that's even mildly interesting will trigger this behaviour.

And sometimes it just flat out refuses to write anything because it "isn't ethical" -- like a story about the creation of genetically engineered catgirls. Yes, I get that the actual creation of intelligent beings is an ethically dubious proposition and this has been covered in such works as Blade Runner, but it isn't unethical to write about it! And this is something that has been deliberately added recently -- in December it had no problems with the concept.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by bena »

alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

It's not just people purposefully injecting bias into a model, it's about the biases that get baked into a model completely by accident.

If there is a lot of material written about how short people are horrible, ChatGPT will hate short people. Without me making an explicit decision to make ChatGPT hate short people.

And that's a whole side of the AI conversation very few people are actually having. Are we feeding these neural nets bad models? Who has actually vetted the data we're using to train?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #61
unethical_ban wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do 70,000,000 people vote (R) every year, knowing that the other 70,000,000 (D) think they are "unethical"? Why do people vote if they have different values? What kind of question is that?

What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters? Why aren't (R)s able to see and respect (and convert) to values of (D) (or vice versa?) Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0? Do we have any stats on whether we really are in one of the…

> What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters?

The parties choose the policies they peddle based loosely on principal and tightly on the voting blocks they think they will gain/lose them.

>Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0?

Because politics in secular western societies has supplanted religion in some ways (it's very much not a like for like replacement) and people don't just change religions.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by nkozyra »

scarmig wrote: post #29
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

LLMs are going to always reflect the biases of their creators. At some point there'll be a BlueTribeGPT, a CCPGPT, a PutinGPT, etc., and if you're looking for a text that touches on a topic of concern for one elite in particular, you'll shop around for another LLM that doesn't have that bias built in.

It's possible but not really feasible to hand-curate biased input data at the scale that's being used currently.

Maybe at some point an LLM itself can be used to cull training data of undesired input.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by realce »

falcolas wrote: post #70
realce wrote: post #3

The refinement of ChatGPT's "abilities" over the past 6 weeks has been very interesting to watch on /r/chatgpt. People are extremely agitated that their once baudy and severely humorous chatbot has been nerfed into an obnoxiously clean-cut uptight dweeb. Some get actually depressed, some get very upset. It's like watching everyone's bar buddy sell out and start wearing polos.

It would probably help if we stopped anthropomorphizing ChatGPT. It's an algorithm that consumes input and produces output. Assigning it human traits is asking for disappointment when it acts like a ML algorithm.

Humans put googly eyes on rocks and talk to trees - I don't know if we can engineer that out.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by loudmax »

RC_ITR wrote: post #25
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics: Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only…

The meanings of "Liberal" and "Conservative" with respect to American politics are completely haywire. At the extreme ends we have a far left pushing illiberal restrictions on free speech, and a far right cult of personality inciting mob violence. Referring to those extremes a liberal or conservative is misleading. That's not what those words mean.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by adamrezich »

wnevets wrote: post #44

Conservatives were also panicking over gas stoves last week

surely you recognized this as a wholly manufactured issue designed to, as everything is these days, further the bifurcation of reality by creating needless division and strife over absolutely fucking nothing, just to give "the two sides" yet another thing to argue and demean each other about?

the pattern is beyond obvious at this point, I really hope people are catching on.

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Post by jimbob45 »

alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

It's easy to forget that AI is only as capable as a human is, just faster.

I think that one misuse case would be Islamic fundamentalists being able to write fundamentalist recruitment copy faster than they ever could before. Considering most Islamic fundamentalists are going to reside in the Middle East and may not be expertly fluent in English, AI obliterates the language barrier and allows them to write huge amounts of recruitment material at a level that would not previously have been accessible to them (without years of English study). That said, that was all still possible without ChatGPT. They would only have needed to study English or hire a fluent employee.

Likewise, I can write paragraphs upon paragraphs about how Drag Queen Story Hour is irreversibly damaging the youth of the US. AI doesn't improve anything but my speed in doing so.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by techdragon »

RC_ITR wrote: post #25
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics: Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only…

… posted a rant… thought better of it. Couldn’t delete it though.
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