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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

unethical_ban wrote: post #39
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that to say at a higher level "liberal bias = ethical/ok for boat guard rail training material, conservative bias = typically unethical and to be avoided"? I feel like that plays into conservative hands of "they're trying to silence us!" Why do 70,000,000 people vote (R) every year, knowing that the other 70,000,000 (D) think they are "unethical"?

>Why do 70,000,000 people vote (R) every year, knowing that the other 70,000,000 (D) think they are "unethical"? Why do people vote if they have different values? What kind of question is that?

What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters?

Why aren't (R)s able to see and respect (and convert) to values of (D) (or vice versa?)

Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0?

Do we have any stats on whether we really are in one of the most divisive political periods in our nation's history (or history in general) or not? Is it hyperbole fed to us by the media?

Where is this going to end/lead to?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by vkou »

bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

I don't see why it's an AI issue only. Imagine how awful it would be if millions of people got their information from a biased carbon-based neural network, like Tucker Carlson [1]...

Is there something that we should do to prevent such a problematic outcome? Is it really a good idea that clearly biased information is being broadcast to millions of people?

[1] The entity that appears on television known as Tucker Carlson is loosely based in its kernel on an actual person named Tucker Carlson, but also consists of an army of support staff, producers, broadcasters, sponsors, curators, censors, etc, etc, who construct a fictional, manufactured persona that tries it's best to convince people of all sorts of biased [2] and insane things.

[2] I, for one, am outraged that not enough of my biases are blasted into the ether by that constructed persona. Is there something that these conservative groups recommend that should be done to remedy this problem?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

bobkazamakis wrote: post #55
RC_ITR wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics: Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only…

>Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. This is a nice fuzzy thought, but doesn't seem to be true in practice. It's not about conserving society, but the status quo. Society seemed to do pretty well with Roe v Wade.

Neither party's positions can be derived the values they allege to be for. That's what you get after 200yr of reactionary politics and choosing your policies based on the voting block you think it'll gain you.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by no-dr-onboard »

sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

Agree. It's not a question of "Whether bias exists" it's more of "Which bias exists?"

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by hooande »

RC_ITR wrote: post #25
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics: Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only…

> Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”.

This isn't what conservatism is. It's about conserving the values and traditions of the past. Modern conservatives advocate for drastic changes to society of many forms. Banning abortions, eliminating the income tax, making sodomy illegal, etc. These things all have in common that they were the way society used to be. Making big changes to social norms after decades of precedent isn't a conservative approach.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by pessimizer »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #36
umeshunni wrote: post #15

This of course, comes after years of "Liberals" panicking about AI bias.

Such as? What have the "Liberals" "panicked" over? That's a serious question. The only one I can come up with off the top of my head are two: - An algorithm that identified people of color as monkeys - An algorithm that could only identify white people in photos Neither of which seem like issues that only a "liberal" should be concerned to me, those both seem like common sense things that should be accounted for.

The comment you're replying to has nothing to do about what you think people should be concerned about. It is about liberals complaining about AI bias, and you've demonstrated knowledge of liberals complaining about AI bias by citing two examples.

Of course more than only self-identified liberals complained about it, just like more than only self-identified conservatives are complaining about this.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by ClassyJacket »

The potential social ramifications of AI cannot be understated, and if we approach every concern about it that doesn't align with our politics with this much dismissiveness and bias we're not going to get anywhere towards handling the situation effectively.

Every machine learning engineer on this site will repeat "AI is trained on human generated input and repeats those biases!" until they're blue in the face. If we're going to dismiss anyone who voices a concern and brand it 'panic' then we're hypocrites.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by rafaquintanilha »

bobkazamakis wrote: post #55
RC_ITR wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics: Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only…

>Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”. This is a nice fuzzy thought, but doesn't seem to be true in practice. It's not about conserving society, but the status quo. Society seemed to do pretty well with Roe v Wade.

Not if you were a baby.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by AlbertCory »

disqard wrote: post #60
qsort wrote: post #52

> AIs aren't oracles or omniscient purveyors of truth, and they will always carry the bias they're created with When people went nuts about matrix multiplication being racist I was the first in line to laugh them off. When people go nuts arguing that ChatGPT supports the gay agenda or whatever other hobgoblin, I feel compelled to laugh them off just as much. A more interesting question is whether or not introducing p…

> matrix multiplication being racist This is the first time I'm hearing about this. Could you point me to a source? Thanks!

try searching DDG for "math is racist".

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by falcolas »

realce wrote: post #3

The refinement of ChatGPT's "abilities" over the past 6 weeks has been very interesting to watch on /r/chatgpt. People are extremely agitated that their once baudy and severely humorous chatbot has been nerfed into an obnoxiously clean-cut uptight dweeb. Some get actually depressed, some get very upset. It's like watching everyone's bar buddy sell out and start wearing polos.

It would probably help if we stopped anthropomorphizing ChatGPT. It's an algorithm that consumes input and produces output. Assigning it human traits is asking for disappointment when it acts like a ML algorithm.
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