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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Kognito »

interpol_p wrote: post #65
gnufied wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

I have the same complaint about weight I upgraded from the 13" M1 Air to the 14" MacBook Pro M1 Max While Blender performance (rendering especially) is much faster, I sorely miss the MacBook Air's portability. The 14" is built like a brick. Compile times are faster, video editing is nicer with more RAM in the Pro, but it's a really tough call given just how different the weight is

Agreed, a high end machine in the Air form factor would be great. The M2 is more than enough compute-wise for my SWE workflow, but it's not a great deal once you start bumping the RAM and adding storage when compared to the base 14 inch (+ the extra benefits you get with the 14" screen, etc).

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ribit »

jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

Performance will be comparable to top Zen4 mobile CPUs at 45W TDP, just that Apple will use 50-60% less power in single-core and 20-30% power in multi core. That’s about it.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by nvrspyx »

JoshTko wrote: post #54
jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

If Apple's main target customers are Intel macbook owners using these stats would make sense.

They could include both the improvement from the last Intel model and the previous Apple Silicon model, no?

EDIT: I see they actually do just that for some specific applications.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by xuki »

wrldos wrote: post #26
joefarish wrote: post #13

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I'm sure part of that is the pound tanking against the dollar!

Yeah likely but the thing is that Apple prices never go down even if the exchange rate becomes favourable.

This is false. Apple adjusted price for products when exchange rates changed. They don’t do it daily, usually it happens at product releases like today.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by mfer »

smoldesu wrote: post #80
sem000 wrote: post #62

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What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

For me: - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al) - Built-in package manager - Having (relative) parity between production and development Between those three, you probably couldn't pay me to go back to MacOS. Adding my own package manager, disabling ads and making my Mac into a Linux-equivalent machine is possible, but it's a lot of work to maintain and set up. I…

I have an M1 Pro MBP and Linux running on a Framework laptop.

The Linux built in package manager is only ok. It often lags behind in versions of things I need. I ended up using Homebrew on both Mac and Linux. For the cases the Linux built-in package manager is too out of date I use Homebrew. It's not perfect on either system.

> - Having (relative) parity between production and development

For certain classes of development this is a big deal.

For my container work it doesn't really matter. I'm running Rancher Desktop and doing container based dev in the VM. Windows, Linux, or Mac doesn't matter as the host.

> - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al)

I must have learned to ignore this as I've had Macs for a couple decades now.

On the flip side, a lot of business software I must use for work isn't available on Linux. I think this is the biggest problem for GNU/Linux as a general OS. There's some biz software that just doesn't run there.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by hk1337 »

dugab wrote: post #61
hk1337 wrote: post #35

How is development setup on the M2? Specifically Docker and Python. Docker VM has always seemed rather meh on my M1 and installing different python versions with pyenv either goes well or has _a lot_ of workarounds.

I have no issues working with Docker/Python on a M1 Macbooks. Docker Desktop/Colima does the job well, and most of the images I use are available on arm. Running amd64 images is slower, but works well. For Python, Python itself is rarely the problem, but more often some older libraries that don't have wheels for M1 Mac, or incompatibilities. Upgrading your dependencies, if it's an option, is often enough. Asdf + PDM…

> Asdf + PDM are also nice tools to work with multiple projects/Py versions easily.

I haven't heard of either of these but they seem interesting. I'll look into them. Thanks.

*EDIT* Oh, man! I've just been using just pip like a muggle, until now.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by xtracto »

_fzslm wrote: post #71
gnufied wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

iTerm2 and lima [1] with a ARM64 Linux virtual machine w/ Rosetta (so I can still run x86_64 Linux code!) enabled me to fall in love with my MacBook Pro in this regard. i feel more productive than on a Linux machine now. MacOS is not without its developer power tools, if you dig around enough! [1] https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

For me MacBookPro with M2 chips would be perfect if the 13in model allowed 64GB RAM. My workflow requires me to run Docker (intel images) heavily with several containers. Having a virtualization layer is pretty resource consuming. Usually the Docker + containers I use take around 5GB RAM alone.

Under that configuration I've found 32GB to be just within the limit of usability. 16GB are just not enough. Also, for some virtualized Docker workflows, there is that known issue of slow File interaction through the Mac/virtualized file system, which makes working with say Magento, Drupal or simlar software REALLY slow.

As a comparison, I've also got a 2011 intel MacBookPro with 16GB RAM. That one is running Linux Mint. Docker performance is almost transparent, and the system runs pretty snappy for development.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by breck »

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I'm also still on the MacBook Pro M1 and it's amazing. But this new one makes me drool. I am happy to see MagSafe back and the SD card slot and USB-C ports on both sides.

Now someone grab my arms before I dump water on this keyboard.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by msbarnett »

neogodless wrote: post #98
ianai wrote: post #93

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From TA: “With M2 Pro on MacBook Pro: Rendering titles and animations in Motion is up to 80 percent faster1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and up to 20 percent faster5 than the previous generation. Compiling in Xcode is up to 2.5x faster1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and nearly 25 percent faster5 than the previous generation. Image processing in Adobe Photoshop is up to 80 percent faster1 than t…

How does that compare to products you would cross shop against the M2-based MacBook Pro in 2023?

You’ll have to wait until 3rd parties do those comparisons?

Apple has literally never posted “here’s a ream of benchmarks vs the Dell XPS XYZ and HP modelnumbersneeze738462” — pretending this is indicative of some grand conspiracy to hide performance deficiencies of these new M2 models the way GP is, is silly.

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