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Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

> The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone

I feel like this is a technological limitation of sorts.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

#242

To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices. What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day. It's bad and should be fix…

It's bad and should be fixed either way.

It's also an annoyance rather than what the title says:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34406723

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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post #111

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

I gifted an Apple Watch this Christmas. I checked their site and saw that an iPhone was needed, but somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. Since you can set up the watch for a family member (who doesn't have an iPhone) it has to work, right? Got the newest iPad? F*k you, buy and iPhone. That was a disappointing gift, I can tell you that. There is absolutely no reason to impose such a limit. I don't und…

Yea, that does suck. They are clear in their documentation when it says "Apple Watch Ultra, Apple Watch Series 8, and Apple Watch SE require an iPhone 8 or later with iOS 16 or later."

But it's buried in a giant page of fine print that you'd have to know to go looking for. Of course if you know to look for it, then you probably don't need the information.

Anyways, I agree that it sucks to have such a limit to JUST an iPhone. It would be nice if it worked with an iPad as well (which is really you're only other option). But the watch, watch app and others make implicit assumptions. For example your iPhone app, which is separate from the iPad app, also has the support for the watch built in (aka the watch specific apps). The iPad apps would currently not have this, because that isn't how it works. Could that change? Sure. But I would guess there are a lot of other implicit assumptions made that we're not aware of.

Lets be honest... Apple would be happy to sell you a watch AND an iPad. You'd be very likely to eventually get the Phone as well. But realistically that's not the direction most people go. They get a Phone first, then maybe they get the watch or iPad.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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I think the current title is mistaken, the twitter user isn't claiming he can't use the Apple TV, he's just saying the message appears. I encountered the same message when iOS 16 had just released and wasn't available on my iPad yet. It wasn't a blocking message, pressing "OK" was enough to make it go away, and when iPadOS 16 finally came out I was able to clear it. It's bad UX but the Apple TV can still be used as b…

Yes, I'm flagging the submission because of this -- I'm sure tons of people are upvoting based on the totally inaccurate title. Which I feel weird about because I don't want to flag the story or the tweet or the comments... it's just the title specifically. So I kind of wish there were a way to flag a title . Hopefully it gets dang's attention and he'll handle it.

it gets dang's attention and he'll handle it.

That attention is easy to get with an email. As to the story, it just becomes a story about an irritating periodic modal which is not very interesting once the title misunderstanding is gone.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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It's interesting how the responses basically split into two camps: - the "just buy an iPhone" and "you've brought it on you, what did you expect" camp - the "Apple fix this" camp At the point I'm reading this, the first camp represents the vast majority of the responses. That's interesting regarding Apple's ongoing lawsuits and regulaory pressure. For most people Apple domination and dictating the rules is basically…

To be fair, owning an apple tv and only an apple tv is not a scenario that I would expect, so I’m not surprised apple’s engineers simply didn’t conceive of this situation occurring. Occam’s razor would lead me to assume this wasn’t malice on apple’s part.

> I’m not surprised apple’s engineers simply didn’t conceive of this situation occurring.

Why should we cut slack to a multi-billion dollar company, do they have no staff that can check basic assumptions?

Should we apply the same logic if they forget poor people exisy and their ML labels them as dirt? Or that black people exist?

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

#248

To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices. What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day. It's bad and should be fix…

This is almost certainly the correct answer. It might also be a generic dialog populated with a server-provided message. Apple TV definitely is not intended to require that you own another Apple device. Even the Apple TV+ subscription service is supported on other platforms like Roku ( https://www.roku.com/blog/apple-tv ). Apple has never required that you run the latest iOS to use iCloud (see minimum requirements on…

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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If those "others" are a small minority, then the parent's point still stands.

I don't think we're that small of a minority. Quite a few people don't actively use any social media, and taking memento photos is an unusual activity for many people, done mostly when going on rare vacations if at all. That leaves purely utilitarian photo taking, like uploading checks or taking a picture to help you remember where you parked your car.

Those people perhaps don't buy fancy smartphones though, but more like "purely utilitarian" ones? Whereas this subthread is about the possibility of the Apple Watch replacing the smartphone for iPhone users...

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's this person's fault or that they should have seen it coming but I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory. I just assumed (and I guess apple did too?) that no one who doesn't already have an apple device would buy an Apple TV. If I didn't have apple computers and an iPhone I don't think I would see the benefit over a google tv d…

Google TV is filled to the brim with ads.

Is that a US thing?

My Google TV has no ads as far as I can see.

And on the plus side, it allows you to install YouTube clients that blocks ads :)

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