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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by vore »

bobleeswagger wrote: post #283
mjmsmith wrote: post #277

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I thought Dorsey was a doofus whose part-time management contributed to the utter stagnation of the product. And their API changes in 2012 were a shitty thing to do to developers, but perhaps less cowardly than the current changes. I don't use it much these days, but hopefully it'll stick around, even if only as a Parler clone with $5B in debt, mostly populated by angry reply guys whining about wokeness. I'm sure you…

Your reaction to and obsession with the word "woke" tells us all we need to know about your propaganda driven mind. I don't even have a twitter account, by the way.

This is an absurd gotcha. If someone is pointing out that someone else is employing a political buzzword for that argument, that's somehow having a "propaganda driven mind"?

Everyone knows using the word "woke" like this is a cheap shot pejorative that has no substance, but pointing out someone using it like this is some kind of "obsession"? If the original poster didn't intend to be so provocative, maybe they shouldn't have leaned on using the words "woke orthodoxy" to make such a lazy point for them.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by vore »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #165
lapcat wrote: post #158

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> your website being shutdown It's not a website, it's the app he's been working on for the past 16 years.

Ah my bad, if it's an app instead of a website, I understand how it is appropriate to use the passing of your mom as a metaphor in a blog post named "The Shit Show".

Do you think it's appropriate to tell others how to grieve? Should they only be allowed to grieve by your standards?

If the author thinks it's appropriate to draw a parallel between the two, it's not your place to tell them otherwise. It's not you losing your passion project, and it's not you losing your mother.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by bioemerl »

wyclif wrote: post #266
bioemerl wrote: post #264

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Unfortunately it takes a lot, and I mean a lot, to overcome network effects when something like Twitter is involved. The only way it goes under is if they are losing revenue and they actually go bankrupt at some point. Elon has already been muzzled quite a bit and I haven't seen much out of him recently, so I imagine as long as that keeps being the case going forward we're going to see Twitter do just fine.

>I haven't seen much out of him recently Ever heard of Space X, Tesla, and the Boring Company?

By recently I mean the last few weeks and by much out of him I mean stupid tweets.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by roarcher »

kanbara wrote: post #287
roarcher wrote: post #72

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His "life's work" is a fresh coat of paint on someone else's creation, which is of questionable value to begin with. And using his mother's death as a comedic prop in a public rant doesn't exactly engender sympathy.

you do realise that twitterific shaped a LOT of twitter in the early days, like he says in the article? that the concepts they pioneered in their app, which twitter didn't have (they didn't have a first party app for quite a while) are integral concepts to the very foundations of twitter? i don't think his mum's death was a comedic prop, it was a storytelling device. what kind of person looks at that metaphor and say…

Calling it a comedic prop is the charitable interpretation.

> We loved this app like I loved my mom.

He genuinely loves an app like his own mother? It says a lot about his opinion of his mother that an app can be on the same level in his estimation. For his sake and his mother's I hope this was an attempt at gallows humor, but it's a pretty horrible one.

> what kind of person looks at that metaphor and says: i don't like this person, i will belittle their entire life?

I'm not belittling his life, I'm belittling the phrase "life's work" used by the parent commenter. I wonder if the article's author would even consider it his life's work. He appears to run an entire company with a number of other projects.

I'm aware of the innovations. Personally I don't find them all that profound, but either way, it's just an alternate UI for a social network that isn't a particularly positive influence on the world. People in this thread painting it as some sort of magnum opus are being a bit grandiose, don't you think?

Look, if I was this guy I'd be pissed too. But elevating a Twitter client to the level of his recently deceased mother is in unbelievably poor taste, no matter how "groundbreaking" it was.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by sincarne »

paulcole wrote: post #106
godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

> I'm only in my early 30's, but… [as time has gone on ]… something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends Welcome to your 30s. You will make fewer friends than you did in your 20s.

Until you have a kid in school, and then it’ll pick up again.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by amatecha »

pmarreck wrote: post #53
tptacek wrote: post #12

I think (and have been saying this a bunch lately) that he's right about ActivityPub and Mastodon, and that "a universal timeline" is actually a really good way to put words to it. I was a Mastodon hater for years, but having used it for the past month or so with an actual community of people (really: the whole community I interacted with on Twitter before), I have to admit it: the ActivityPub people were right about…

OK, I have to ask- What exactly was your argument against MP3's? They literally let you transfer music with an order of magnitude less data than it took on the CD! Was it an audiophile argument, or...? I was lucky enough to live in a freshman college dorm (a music-focused dorm, no less!) circa 1997-1998 when Napster was still a thing right after MP3's were a thing, and that shit was amaaaaazing I mean given how much…

Yeah, when I snagged my first ""backup"" mp3 of an amazing piece of music I had never before heard (I think it was "Megalomaniac" by KMFDM) in a measly 3 megs or so, I knew this format was about to take the world by storm. It was blatantly obvious.

I remember my processor struggled so much even playing it, I basically had to just listen to the mp3 on its own. I eventually figured out I could play 96kbps mp3s without slowing things down too much. These were such amazing times for me, suddenly exposed to an entire planet of music there's zero possible chance I would have otherwise heard.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by amatecha »

sph wrote: post #166
godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

I've been thinking about this problem a lot and I don't think there is an easy answer or solution to this. I think that world is gone. -- To recreate the feeling of a small group of people chatting like it was commonplace two decades ago, I created a Discord server for strangers to just hang out and chat whenever one feels like. No pressure, no overbearing rules, just a small island in the modern lonely internet. Its…

I completely agree, I think that scenario is indeed a relic of the past. I was talking about exactly this with a friend recently. Never again will worldwide instant chat (IRC) be an amazing new thing where only the lucky few get to try it out -- figuring out etiquette, lingo and customs along the way with "innocent" ignorance (not sure how else to word this). Same for all the "first" big protocols and platforms, and of course the early years of the internet altogether. The cat is long since out of the bag, and that universal wide-eyed surprise and awe cannot come again.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by [deleted] »

roarcher wrote: post #210
iLoveOncall wrote: post #102

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Same. > We loved this app like I loved my mom. > Like my mom, the API has been declining for awhile. I can't tell if these were attempts at humor, but if they are they're disgusting, and if they're serious then they're even more disgusting. Elon Musk may be an asshole, but so is this guy.

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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by snapplebobapple »

viraptor wrote: post #281
snapplebobapple wrote: post #244

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Have they fixed conversation threading, or does it not matter vs twitter since twitter's threading is horribly broken as well?

Depends on what you mean by "they" and "fixed". There's a few clients. They do threading in different ways. I'm sure you'll find one that does what you like.

I mean actually threading the conversation. I.e. how hacker news does it.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by amatecha »

wyclif wrote: post #217
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #161

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Twitter was really pretty solid for what it was, had lots of great accounts and even with the stock UI was pretty operable for me. Even advertising on Twitter was pretty fun. You could reach people all over the world at reasonable cost and get feedback on your product and messaging. Most recently I used Twitter pretty much exclusively for following the war in Ukraine, and it’s been a big loss for me—Telegram is a goo…

> RIP Twitter Reports of Twitter's demise are greatly exaggerated by people with "Spaceman Bad" political brainworms.

I find it hilarious when people say stuff like this. Every day, Twitter shambles ever closer to the distant, cobweb-laden corridors in which you can find Myspace, LiveJournal, or DeviantArt. Yeah, they're still out there, technically operating, but with not even a fraction of the social/cultural relevance they once held.
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