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Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by squidsoup »

raybb wrote: post #37
crims0n wrote: post #2

Interesting that they classify loss of smell as a neurological symptom. I had Covid last January and my sense of smell has never been the same. I used to be able to walk into a room, flair my nostrils, and pick up everything from the couch, carpet, and curtains… to the subtle cool drafts from the windows and fireplace. Now everything has completely dulled out, and I only occasionally pick up those old scents in passi…

Have you looked into smell training? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell_training

Smell training, using an assortment of strong smelling essential oils, appeared to help me recover my sense of smell after my first covid infection.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

lossolo wrote: post #42
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for me and many others long covid symptoms got worse after vaccination. Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits.

> Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits. Could you provide a link to that research ?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.0...

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by kuhewa »

jchw wrote: post #43
TurkishPoptart wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You can't draw conclusions like this from one data point, because there's no baseline to compare it to. Not sure what kind of productive discussion you are expecting here.

They aren't seeking to be productive

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by cfeduke »

ergonaught wrote: post #3

This has basically nailed the stuff my wife developed “out of nowhere” toward the end of 2021. Wow. I wonder how one convinces doctors to take that seriously? It’s been a real nightmare.

My wife started to have many of the symptoms of long COVID starting around September of this year. No official diagnosis from her many doctors and specialists, just a constant barrage of co-pays and test after test after test. Some of her doctors say for certain it is not long COVID but they also say they do not know what it is... so... uh huh. Just have to keep on testing, and do the same test multiple times.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by Alex3917 »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #22
Alex3917 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can anyone more medically and scientifically literate provide some context to temper my doom and gloom? Most of these issues stem back to endothelium damage. And the good news is that, in addition to taking all the vaccines you're eligible to get, there are a bunch of other things you can do to strengthen and protect your endothelium, e.g. doing HIIT and taking ACE inhibitors. The one risk we (afaik) don't really k…

Except for me and many others long covid symptoms got worse after vaccination. Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits.

> Except for me and many others long covid symptoms got worse after vaccination.

Sure, because the MRNA spike protein appears to be rough on the endothelium even in healthy individuals, so it's easy to see why this could be problematic for people who already have vascular damage. But there are a lot of other long covid symptoms that folks have reported improving after getting vaccinated, e.g. loss of smell.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by ggm »

jupp0r wrote: post #66
RandomWorker wrote: post #26

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That sucks. My experience was to get back to training fairly soon (2 weeks after fever went away). After that training session I knew I should rest more and took an additional 2 weeks off. Then built back up my regular training starting at 10% volume and increasing at 10% increases each week. After 3 months I was back to regular volume. My suggestion is that everyone take at least two weeks off, and build up volume v…

It's kind if important whether you develop long covid or not. If you don't then you don't need a long break, if you do, you could be out for months or forever.

And, exercise makes it worse for some people. So "push through" is a possibly terrible idea.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by ggm »

dehrmann wrote: post #53
Animats wrote: post #45

This is really bad. Important points: * About 10% of people getting COVID get some form of long COVID. * There's long term damage. At least years. Maybe permanent in some cases. * You can get COVID more than once.[1] Somewhere above 6-10% of infections are re-infections, and that number increases over time. Immunity seems to last 3-18 months. What is this going to look like in 5 years? 30% - 40% of the population dis…

> 30% - 40% of the population disabled? That assumes likelihood of getting long covid doesn't drop after successive infections.

The nature paper says for a cohort, it may rise.

And, it seems like related CF viruses (Epstein-barr) may reactivate. Having a lot of covid spike protein in your body is not good for you.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by DoreenMichele »

dehrmann wrote: post #53
Animats wrote: post #45

This is really bad. Important points: * About 10% of people getting COVID get some form of long COVID. * There's long term damage. At least years. Maybe permanent in some cases. * You can get COVID more than once.[1] Somewhere above 6-10% of infections are re-infections, and that number increases over time. Immunity seems to last 3-18 months. What is this going to look like in 5 years? 30% - 40% of the population dis…

> 30% - 40% of the population disabled? That assumes likelihood of getting long covid doesn't drop after successive infections.

I will note that around 15 to 20 percent of the population already identifies as disabled and up to 60 percent will admit to having limitations that would benefit from accommodation if you survey them without using stigmatizing language like "disabled."

These stats were true prior to covid and the pandemic.

People widely underestimate how common disability already is.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

dehrmann wrote: post #53
Animats wrote: post #45

This is really bad. Important points: * About 10% of people getting COVID get some form of long COVID. * There's long term damage. At least years. Maybe permanent in some cases. * You can get COVID more than once.[1] Somewhere above 6-10% of infections are re-infections, and that number increases over time. Immunity seems to last 3-18 months. What is this going to look like in 5 years? 30% - 40% of the population dis…

> 30% - 40% of the population disabled? That assumes likelihood of getting long covid doesn't drop after successive infections.

Or it could be some people will always get long covid and others will never.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by rybosworld »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #72
lossolo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits. Could you provide a link to that research ?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.0...

> new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine

The frequency of the reaction mentioned in this article is around 2 in 100,000 people.

The frequency of death from covid is somewhere in the range of 1000-2000 in 100,000 people.

I'll take the vaccine odds.

> with fairly marginal protection benefits

Your source says nothing about protection benefits being marginal.

In fact, one of the author's of this research said: "What the results don’t do, she stressed, is change the fact that the data strongly support getting vaccinated against COVID-19. “Clearly, developing postvaccine myocarditis is much more rare than developing any of the complications of infection with SARS-CoV-2,” she noted." https://www.tctmd.com/news/free-spike-protein-mrna-covid-19-...

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