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Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nradov »

eismcc wrote: post #28
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

Similar situation. Did a 70.3 in June and then was laid out flat like I had never been before. My watch was telling me numbers that looked like I did a full Ironman every day. For months. I found that liver support supplements made a measurable impact.

What are liver supper supplements? Is there any research on this?

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by lossolo »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #22
Alex3917 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can anyone more medically and scientifically literate provide some context to temper my doom and gloom? Most of these issues stem back to endothelium damage. And the good news is that, in addition to taking all the vaccines you're eligible to get, there are a bunch of other things you can do to strengthen and protect your endothelium, e.g. doing HIIT and taking ACE inhibitors. The one risk we (afaik) don't really k…

Except for me and many others long covid symptoms got worse after vaccination. Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits.

> Additionally new research is uncovering serious and significant risks for the vaccine with fairly marginal protection benefits.

Could you provide a link to that research ?

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by jchw »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #30
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

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You can't draw conclusions like this from one data point, because there's no baseline to compare it to. Not sure what kind of productive discussion you are expecting here.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by [deleted] »

twawaaay wrote: post #25
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

I feel for you. This is such a strange virus. My whole family got covid so I expected to be next. But I only needed to take 2 days off at work and I paused my training for just 3 days and was almost back to my normal HR/pace in less than a week since I got first symptoms. It took me 3 more weeks before I started getting negative test results.

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by Animats »

This is really bad. Important points:

* About 10% of people getting COVID get some form of long COVID.

* There's long term damage. At least years. Maybe permanent in some cases.

* You can get COVID more than once.[1] Somewhere above 6-10% of infections are re-infections, and that number increases over time. Immunity seems to last 3-18 months.

What is this going to look like in 5 years? 30% - 40% of the population disabled?

[1] https://www.everydayhealth.com/coronavirus/what-if-you-get-c...

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by spamizbad »

RandomWorker wrote: post #26
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

That sucks. My experience was to get back to training fairly soon (2 weeks after fever went away). After that training session I knew I should rest more and took an additional 2 weeks off. Then built back up my regular training starting at 10% volume and increasing at 10% increases each week. After 3 months I was back to regular volume. My suggestion is that everyone take at least two weeks off, and build up volume v…

That's a very smart approach, and one my cyclist friend used when recovering from COVID in June of 2020. Took it easy for the rest of the year and put up some good numbers in 2021 and had his best year in 2022.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by Daub »

jotato wrote: post #9
crims0n wrote: post #2

Interesting that they classify loss of smell as a neurological symptom. I had Covid last January and my sense of smell has never been the same. I used to be able to walk into a room, flair my nostrils, and pick up everything from the couch, carpet, and curtains… to the subtle cool drafts from the windows and fireplace. Now everything has completely dulled out, and I only occasionally pick up those old scents in passi…

How is your taste? I lost it completely (not just a little or muted, but 100% gone) for about 5 weeks. It started to come back, but 18 months later things still don't taste right. Nothing is flavorful or stands out as delicious.

Entirely anecdotal, but I had a freind who had been a smoker for fifty years. On giving up he was delighted to smell tomatoes for the first time since his boyhood.

Before that point, I had never before considered tomatoes as even having a smell.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by carabiner »

thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

My friend is in his 50s, pudgy and kinda athletic but not elite, and he just had mild symptoms for a week. I wonder if "athlete's heart" could be compounding effects in some way?

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by throw_nbvc1234 »

Animats wrote: post #45

This is really bad. Important points: * About 10% of people getting COVID get some form of long COVID. * There's long term damage. At least years. Maybe permanent in some cases. * You can get COVID more than once.[1] Somewhere above 6-10% of infections are re-infections, and that number increases over time. Immunity seems to last 3-18 months. What is this going to look like in 5 years? 30% - 40% of the population dis…

You're missing the variable of how severe the long covid symptoms are. If it's 10% long covid and 10% of those are serious it's only 1% of total covid cases.

Unless you're using a loose definition of "disabled".

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