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Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by ss108 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

> But who knows. I'm Monday Couch Quarterbacking this.

You should start a talk radio program or a podcast or something

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by polski-g »

mrguyorama wrote: post #35
polski-g wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But ultimately winning an occupation against a civilian population that is both hostile and armed, is basically impossible Spain and the United States used to do that all the time. Just look at the indian tribes. You just have to be willing to be mean (wipe out nearly every male).

You cannot wipe out a population that looks and acts identical to a population you are unwilling to wipe out.

Which is why Spain and USA did what they did.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by Someone »

_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

> I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention

There was such a call in October last year, but the population doesn’t seem to want an intervention (https://therealnews.com/haitians-reject-us-oas-calls-for-for...). That’s not completely surprising, given the recent UN mission that

- seems to have imported cholera into the country from Nepal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Stabilisation_M...)

- had UN peacekeepers rape citizens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Stabilisation_M...)

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by ashwagary »

panick21_ wrote: post #36
_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

You don't need to fight a 'ground war' to cause a whole lot of problems. And you risk radicalizing the people.

I have a strong feeling Haitians even in their worst position have had enough of US interference.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by krapp »

zeeshanmh215 wrote: post #45

Why can US invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not Haiti? Or is it that they fear they would have to face gang members instead of civilians?

The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for oil and vengeance for 9/11, but Haiti has nothing the US wants.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by krapp »

sasattack wrote: post #22
_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

The cia arms both the gangs, why would they fight them

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, in a few decades we'll probably find out the CIA was behind all of this.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by noworriesnate »

rayiner wrote: post #21
_fat_santa wrote: post #3

I'm surprised the last of the elected officials didn't call for foreign intervention, though I'm sure no country wants to go in there and fight the street gangs for control. I think the US would have the best shot of restoring order (assuming the Hatian govt asked them). I would imagine no gang in Haiti wants to (or is even capable of) a ground war with the US Army, so the "intervention" would be 90% aid and 10% a sh…

That would be a shocking violation of Haiti's sovereignty. It would be colonialism. Civil wars are sometimes a necessary thing in the organic development of a nation. In general, it's not the business of other countries to prevent them.

Exactly! For Europeans to develop to the point they could dominate the rest of the world, they took a thousand years to recover from Roman imperialism and develop distinct ethic/national identities. We have to not interfere with the third world and be willing to not interfere for a thousand years for them to sociologically mature to the point they can operate effectively in the first world.

The solution to problems caused by imperialism is never more imperialism. The solution to such problems can only come from within those people.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by senttoschool »

manv1 wrote: post #25

Maybe China wants to dip a toe into great power style politics, so it can see what being on the world stage actually entails? After all, China is looking for friends, and what better way to make friends than to prop up a failing regime? Propping up Haiti can't be more expensive than propping up North Korea.

Your comment is so weird. China has not shown colonial mindset in the last few hundred years. Even when it had by far, the highest GDP country in the world, it did not colonize other countries.

All China wants is for North Korea to not collapse because that would create a huge humanitarian crisis at its borders.

Also, Chinese people are more practical. Leave this problem to the Chinese and they’ll find a way to solve it that does not involve sending its army to Haiti. They’re not warmongers like Americans are.

Re: Haiti left with no elected government officials as it spirals towards anarchy

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Post by molotovh »

zeeshanmh215 wrote: post #45

Why can US invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not Haiti? Or is it that they fear they would have to face gang members instead of civilians?

Do you think that those invasions went well for the people of Afghanistan and Iraq? Do you think there were no armed gangs in those countries? Do you think the U.S. has any prurient interest in repeating or revisiting those operations?
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