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England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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I wish that countries would mandate symmetrical connections as well. This would open up so much more opportunity for self hosting web apps and allow for decentralized sites, such as peertube, to function better.

Seems like a really bad idea to mandate that download be no higher than upload. Would just result in few/no plans with high down bandwidth.

Which is fine if you’re also regulating the minimum download bandwidth?

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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I think this comes across as shocking to Americans but the thing is the rest of the world treats internet as a utility so most governments try to get cheap and fast internet for as large a portion of the population as possible. Where as US cities and towns are stuck under its isp corporate monopolies.

Australia and Canada famously have awesome, fast, and cheap Internet access compared to the United States.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #90

Some color about buying home internet in London vs San Francisco (in my experience). I recently moved back from London to San Francisco. In my 3 years in central London (N1) I had to use a 5g hotspot (thank you, Vodafone unlimited) to get anything close to fast internet in my flat. If I went with a wired "broadband" connection I could not get more than 10Mbps down. The street next to mine had gigabit fiber though. Th…

Comcast now offers vastly higher upload speeds (10mbps -> 100mbps) so long as you rent their modem, which is an additional $25/month, but also comes with unlimited data. Paying for unlimited data separately costs $30/month if you own your own modem, but doesn't yet support higher upload speeds. It's unfortunate that this is the case, but for those who need higher upload speeds, it's at least possible with Comcast now.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/want-faster-comc...

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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I think this comes across as shocking to Americans but the thing is the rest of the world treats internet as a utility so most governments try to get cheap and fast internet for as large a portion of the population as possible. Where as US cities and towns are stuck under its isp corporate monopolies.

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Not sure about the countries you mentioned. The link shows top 5 for broadband speed:

- Monaco

- Singapore

- Hong Kong

- Romania

- Switzerland

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Cool, great news for England. In France the building regulations include RJ45 in every non-wet room (including kitchens!) on a weird electrical standard that basically allows cat7 speeds but also TV frequencies. So every newly built house or appartament is internally wired for 10Gbps, which should be fine for the foreseeable future.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all gigabit is already symmetric so this is a concern of the past.

Not the bulk of FTTP connections in the UK, to which this article refers, which run over Openreach’s common last-mile or Virgin Media’s DOCSIS cables. They’re the only National operators offering gigabit, or near-gigabit speeds. There are plenty of smaller ISPs that run their own fibre and do offer symmetric connections, but the bigger players all off asymmetric connections.

Do you know what makes them asymmetric? Is it just traffic shaping at the ISP, or is it some hardware limitation?

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #119

Just more admin fees and paperwork to build a building, making them more expensive. Make 30cm insulation a requirement so we don't pay £2000 per year for electric heating. I asked my property management company if they would, eghm, _consider_ improving external insulation, they responded they have no such legal requirements, so they won't. We pay 4x more for heating and warm water than in 2018, and have it colder and…

This isn't really adding much cost. They were always going to run some sort of communications cable to new houses - the government is just making sure it's a future proofed one. Providing gigabit internet when there's a fiber running to the property already is trivial.

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all gigabit is already symmetric so this is a concern of the past.

Not the bulk of FTTP connections in the UK, to which this article refers, which run over Openreach’s common last-mile or Virgin Media’s DOCSIS cables. They’re the only National operators offering gigabit, or near-gigabit speeds. There are plenty of smaller ISPs that run their own fibre and do offer symmetric connections, but the bigger players all off asymmetric connections.

Your comment contradicts itself. You mention a bulk of FTTP connections then mention virgins DOCSIS. I’m assuming you’re talking about their Coaxial cables, if so it’s not FTTP in the first place it will be FTTC.

My understanding is their new fibre lays are all “symmetric ready”, same with BT. You’re right they currently don’t operate them in that fashion, but they’ve laid the groundwork. See below.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/11/first-trial-us...

Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the bulk of FTTP connections in the UK, to which this article refers, which run over Openreach’s common last-mile or Virgin Media’s DOCSIS cables. They’re the only National operators offering gigabit, or near-gigabit speeds. There are plenty of smaller ISPs that run their own fibre and do offer symmetric connections, but the bigger players all off asymmetric connections.

Do you know what makes them asymmetric? Is it just traffic shaping at the ISP, or is it some hardware limitation?

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Re: England just made gigabit internet a legal requirement for new homes

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I live in Northern Ireland (also part of the UK) and we're very well served here too. I switched from copper to fibre about a month back. Could have gone 1Gb but chose a cheaper 500Gb DOWN / 75Mb UP package (no data limits) as I didn't think I'd notice the difference. Speed tests show I get very close to both. Very happy.
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